From the Huffington Post:
OSLO, July 23 (Reuters) – A suspected right-wing fanatic accused of killing at least 92 people deemed his acts “atrocious” yet “necessary” as Norway mourned victims of the nation’s worst attacks since World War Two.
Police were hunting on Sunday to see if a possible second gunman took part in the shooting massacre and bomb attack on Friday that traumatized a normally peaceful Nordic country.
In his first comment via a lawyer since he was arrested, 32-year-old Norwegian Anders Behring Breivik expressed willingness to explain himself in court at a hearing likely to be held on Monday about extending protective custody.
“He has said that he believed the actions were atrocious, but that in his head they were necessary,” lawyer Geir Lippestad told independent TV2 news.
Police said Breivik gave himself up after admitting to a massacre in which at least 85 people died, mostly young people attending a summer camp of the youth wing of Norway’s ruling Labour Party on an idyllic island.
Breivik was also arrested for the bombing of Oslo’s government district that killed seven people hours earlier. Norway’s toughest sentence is 21 years in jail.
Breivik has been accused of hunting down nearly 90 teenagers at a youth camp and killing them in cold blood, in addition to a terrorist attack in Oslo. 21 years? Good heavens. And then what? Is he released? Is he exiled off some arctic island? Do the Norwegians release him back into the general population and let the people kill him?
This is the face of evil. How sick of a puppy does one have to be to do something like this? In one day he redefined the term ‘mass murderer.’ Breivik has been described as a far right Christian who opposed immigration. That seems a bit of a stretch because Christians, regardless of where they fall on the political spectrum simply do not behave like this evil killer. He had a 1500 page manifesto where the Oklahoma bombing and Timothy McVey was discussed. Breivik claimed to have been plotting his evil deeds for a long time.
Norwegian authorities are questioning several other people regarding their involvement. There is no capital punishment in Norway. Perhaps we could offer to do them a favor. Any volunteers to start the ‘drip?’
From the NY Times:
Do we have to go real far to find people who feel that way? What makes the difference in people who grouse and those people who act out? Is this how Nazism started?
(and it works both ways–what makes someone fly a plane into a building for Allah?)
2005 Gun Related Murders (LA times 7-24-2011)
U.S.A. —- 10,158
Norway— 5
They weren’t prepared because what happened “wouldn’t happen
in Norway”– until it did. A country with high gun ownership,
but with a long history of almost no gun related homicides.
He set off a car bomb and shot kids because he didn’t like that Norway allows Muslim immigrants in, and everyone knows that Muslims might set off car bombs and shoot kids.
This guy is no more a representative of Christians than bin laden was a representative of Muslims.
Starry’s almost right.
Except that Bin Laden has millions of supporters and Muslims are naming their children after him.
Other than that…..he’s right.
I am not versed in the law in Norway, but I would suggest that, if 21 years is the maximum sentence, he ought to be give consecutive sentences for ever individual he murdered. I have seen that done. The captured leader of the Greek terror organization 17 November got over 20 consecutive life sentences, each ticketed to one of his victims and upheld by the appeals court. He will hopefully not see the outside again until they carry him out feet first or he is older than Methuselah.
I like Wolverine’s idea. I don’t know Norway’s laws either, but I vote for the Wolverine Law.
@Cargo, how many children have been named Constantine? How many followers of Hitler were there?
I agree with Starry’s last sentence: “This guy is no more a representative of Christians than bin laden was a representative of Muslims.”
I fail to see how any “millions” of bin laden supporters could have committed any act much worse than what Mr. Breivik just did. Seriously.
Also, I think you know that bin laden does not have “million” of supporters. You lie.
In diary, Norwegian ‘crusader’ details months of preparation for attacks
Breivik, a 32-year-old who contends he is waging a Christian crusade against multiculturalism in Europe, believes the killings were “gruesome” but “necessary,” said his attorney, Geir Lippestad. Breivik has acknowledged that he carried out the attacks, his lawyer said, but he denies criminal responsibility. Police officials said Sunday that Breivik told them he acted without an accomplice.
His diary is part of a 1,500-page manifesto that Breivik admits posting on the Internet, Lippestad says. Part history, part commentary, part how-to manual, it lays out his loathing of Islam and his determination to preserve a Christian Europe. It is written in English, a language Scandinavians often turn to when trying to reach the broadest possible audience. The Norwegian newspaper VG has reported that sections of it were lifted from the manifesto of Ted Kaczynski, the Unabomber.
As of Sunday evening, Breivik’s one-man revolution had left 93 dead and 96 injured, with four still missing. Divers continued to search the waters around the island for bodies.
Careful planning
Breivik writes in his manifesto about the period before he began his diary. He says that he had been preparing for the attacks for years — and that he was determined to err on the side of killing too many people rather than too few.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/world/europe/in-diary-norwegian-crusader-details-months-of-preparation-for-attacks/2011/07/24/gIQACYnUXI_story.html?hpid=z2
This is where extreme rhetoric against immigration leads. We have to be careful about what we say les we inspire someone to commit similar horrible atrocities in the United states.
How many followers of Hitler were there?
Millions.
They died.
Breivik is a nut. Much of what he wrote he copied from Ted Kazcinski. This has nothing to do with rhetoric against immigration.
If you’re worried about “inspiring” people to commit horrific violence…….then we might as well get rid of the 1st Amendment.
And Starry, while I may be wrong sometimes, I don’t lie on this blog. You should apologize.
Millions support Al Quaeda and Osama is a popular name. Take your head out of …..
http://pajamasmedia.com/blog/130-million-strong-al-qaedas-deep-muslim-support/
While it is good news that the majority of the world’s Muslim population repudiates al-Qaeda, and vice versa, we in the West cannot take too much comfort. Pew also provides each polled country’s percentages of support for al-Qaeda: 34 percent of Jordanians, 49 percent of Nigerian Muslims, 3 percent of Lebanese, 20 percent of Egyptians, 23 percent of Indonesians, 18 percent of Pakistanis, and 4 percent of Turks. In real numbers, the total is staggering. A whopping 129,942,000 Muslims support al-Qaeda. That’s right, almost 130 million Muslims support al-Qaeda — and that from just the six countries Pew’s pollsters visited.
There are lots of Hitler supporters alive and well and multiplying in Europe. They aren’t all dead.
The same can be said of any zealot who goes over the top, regardless of the topic. Who knows what pushes someone over edge. How many abortion providers have been killed? That is certainly not to say that people cannot voice their opposition to abortion. There’s a thin line between some of this and there are no easy answers.
@Moon-howler
There also a branch of the Muslim Brotherhood that just announced that they are starting a branch of the Nazi party and that the party had actually been around, underground, for years.
It must be their aryian roots spurring them on.
@Moon-howler
It’s their historic connections via the Mufti of Jerusalem and the one of the founders of the Muslim Brotherhood.
An answer to the first paragraph of #7: July 2009. Boko Haram. 150 killed in the first coordinated bomb attacks. And they are still going at it. Targets? Government officials, Christians, and Muslims who do not agree. Northern Nigeria is becoming a place of sudden death. Inspiration? Radicalized Islamic philosophy in search of enforced application of Sharia law….and al-Qaeda, especially al-Qaeda in the Mahgreb. Erstwhile home of the Underwear Bomber.
@Wolverine
And many people trying to pull off internet scams and other heists.
How right you are, Blogmeister. There is a determined and persistent group of scammers out there, and they have talent. Beware of Nigerian e-mails bearing proposed monetary windfalls. What’s worse is that Nigeria has long been believed to be a major conduit for illicit drugs up into Europe; and, from what I have been reading, the Russian Mafia is now in bed with the Nigerian drug crowd. The Russian Mafia has also reportedly developed some very sophisticated techniques for cyber theft. Don’t know if they are hooked up with their Nigerian pals in this particular scheme; but I wouldn’t bet against it happening somewhere along the line.
Well, Wolverine, I guess you and Mr Breivik would get along just fine then.
starry!!! Not nice. Stern look.
My, even his insults are unintelligible now.
Just to help you understand, Starry. Boko Haram is a terrorist group. They kill innocent people. Mr. Breivik is a lone wolf terrorist. He killed innocent people. I used to put people like those in Boko Haram behind bars. I used to put people like Mr. Breivik behind bars. Didn’t make any difference what religion you professed to be or what ideology you followed. Didn’t matter what color or ethnicity you were. You murdered people in the name of whatever cause, and my job was to find you and put you in the slammer — or worse. Get it now, son, or do I have to draw pictures too?
Yeeesh!!!!
Wolverine, we are talking about Norway here, not Nigeria. Why do you keep trying to change the subject? This happened in Europe and could well happen right here. We could look like Nigeria if this continues.
Norway attacks focus attention on US right-wing extremists
Anti-Islamic rhetoric from American groups cited in gunman’s 1,500-page manifesto
By Azriel Relph and Michael Isikoff
NBC News
updated 7/25/2011 8:02:43 PM ET 2011-07-26T00:02:43
– The bomb attack and shooting spree that killed 76 people in Norway on Friday is refocusing attention on the threat from right-wing terrorist attacks in the U.S. inspired by anti-Islamic rhetoric.
In the aftermath of the mass murder, investigators are looking at a 1,500-page manifesto in which Anders Behring Breivik, the Norwegian man who admitted to carrying out the attacks, vowed “brutal and breathtaking operations” in order to stop “the ongoing Islamic Colonization of Europe.” Analysts say the manifesto was inspired by heated rhetoric from groups in the United States – some of which are quoted directly.
Robert Spencer, the co-founder of Stop the Islamization of America, is cited more than 50 times by Breivik. He helped organize protests against the proposed Islamic center near Ground Zero in New York City and has written that “traditional Islam contains violent and supremacist elements.”
Breivik wrote that Spencer would be an “excellent choice” for the Nobel Peace Prize.
But Spencer told NBC News that he bears no responsibility for what happened in Norway.
“There’s nothing in any of my writings that is anything but a defense of human rights, a defense of the equality of rights of all people before the law,” he said. “So if somebody gets from that that they should kill, well then he’s nuts.”
But according to some analysts, words can be weapons themselves.
“When you push the demonization of populations, you often end up with violence,” said Heidi Beirich, research director for the Southern Poverty Law Center.
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/43887924/ns/us_news-security/
How a nut uses your words is not your fault.
Otherwise, the Beatles would be responsible for the actions of the Manson cult.
Well, I truly am sorry, Starry, for interrupting your pattern of thought. Just trying to help you out before somebody else jumped down your throat. You are the one who stated that you doubted the supporters of bin Laden “could have committed any act much worse than what Mr. Breivik just did.” As your self-appointed fact checker and researcher, I am dedicated to trying to keep you from getting a whole string of Pinocchios attached to your blog handle. I merely pointed out an inconsistency which could tend to diminish your entire argument. And what thanks do I get? An old terrorist fighter being accused of sharing the mentality of a lone wolf terrorist nutjob. Go figure.
“We could look like Nigeria if this continues.”
Racial purist nutjob in Norway kills fellow Europeans. But we could look like Nigeria where non-muslims are being attacked by Sharia following Muslims for not being Muslim, if European neo-nazis continue to kill fellow Europeans……
Because some bloggers are blogging about Muslim Terrorists and Muslim fundamentalists and the dangers of creeping sharia…….
Ok, then.
Wolverine, you didn’t interrupt any thoughts there…..