According to The Plum Line at the Washington Post:
There are Republicans in both the House and Senate who are still pushing for another vote on the balanced budget amendment, even though “cut cap and balance,” which contains such an amendment, has already failed in the Senate. Tea Party GOP Senators such as Jim DeMint and Rand Paul are calling on colleagues to reject John Boehner’s proposal for a two-tiered debt ceiling increase, and are instead demanding another vote on “cut cap and balance.” Meanwhile, House conservatives such as Mike Pence are also urging another vote on a modified version of a balanced budget amendment.
To such conservatives, McCain offered a simple answer: You’re in fantasy-land, and you’re doing your constituents a disservice by perpetuating the falsehood that such a thing can ever happen.
“What is really amazing about this is that some members are believing that we can pass a balanced-budget amendment to the Constitution in this body with its present representation — and that is foolish,” McCain said angrily. “That is worse than foolish. That is deceiving many of our constituents.” McCain went on to rip the idea as “bizarro.”
Meanwhile. Speaker of the House John Bohner snarled at the conservative Republicans:
As investors grow increasingly anxious, House Republican leaders deliver a tongue-lashing to their most conservative lawmakers and cast Thursday’s roll call as nothing less than a vote of confidence in their stewardship of the chamber.
That tongue lashing is long overdue. The new kids on the block need to listen up and do what their leadership tells them to do. What they want is not possible and will not happen. Apparently they want to be able to go home and high-5 their constituents with a NAY vote. When credit becomes even tighter and everyone is paying higher interest rates their constituents might just want to run them out of town on a rail.
John McCain gets it. John Bohner gets it. There will be no balanced budget amendment. The Freshman class and a few other tea party folks need to either learn or remember how the game is played and they just don’t have the votes. The more money the voters lose from their 401k plans and their portfolios, the less forgiving they will be.
McCain is one of the few honest Repugs left in Congress. Even teajadi Rand Paul voted against a balanced budget amendment. The American people may be divided but a clear majority support increased revenues in order to cut the deficit. Public opinion is not on the Republicans’ side and I’m afraid they will pay a very severe price at the polls if they continue to push and the country defaults on its obligations.
This is nothing new. McCain lost the last election partly because he always denigrates the conservative base.
As for the Senate….it would have been great if the Democrats had actually decided to negotiate and put the bill up for a vote. They weren’t willing to compromise and debate the bill. They killed it on a procedural vote.
WHO is it that’s not willing to compromise? How many bills, with different ideas, have been presented by the GOP? Where is REID’S Bill?
http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2011/07/all-53-senate-democrats-sign-letter-to-boehner-threatening-to-default-on-us-debt/
I’m sure McCain is in there somewhere……
Yep. This sure is the spirit of compromise. Can’t have a bill that might bring this to the attention of the voter when its vitally necessary.
They would rather default than compromise on a bill that gives them what they want except timeline. For some reason, these Senators don’t want more time to thrash out a good bill. Gotta get it done while there’s a crisis.
@Cargo, this publication is sort of like the the Daily Kos on steroids, mirror image. An honest publication would publish the letter and let the readers determine for themselves what the Dem. senators meant. The interpretation that they would rather see the nation go in to default is not honest.
You might be less angry over the state of the nation if you read more mainstream news. I hate to say this but if someone reads a steady diet of this crap you are going to be miserable. Start with the Richmond Times Dispatch. That is a fairly conservative publication. Try the Washington Times. They still have some modicum of professionalism.
Tell us, Cargo, did you vote for McCain?
Shoot. You folks are always at war with someone. I lose track. Are you pissed off at the mainstream republicans or the democrats? I understand there always has to be an enemy. I am just confused as to who it is at this point.
Who is it saying NO to John Bohner? Who was it that got spanked yesterday by Bohner?
the answer. up or down vote on a one page bill
http://thelastword.msnbc.msn.com/_news/2011/07/27/7180863-the-escape-hatch-in-debt-talks
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Have to agree with McCain…Congress passed Balanced Budget Acts in ’85 and ’97 and don’t follow them. What makes them think putting an Amendment to the Constitution is going to make any difference? That bunch of yahoos in the Domed Building are not even living up to the Oath of Office they took….so I side with McCain.
McCain flip flops so much he could be mistaken for a beached fish. But he is right in this particular case, in my opinion.
@Moon-howler
Yes. I voted for McCain. You go to war with the army you have. The fight for the right candidate happens in the primary. There I voted for Thompson. I almost did NOT pull the lever for McCain, but he picked Palin as VP…and McCain is old…..
As for the anger over the state of the nation….I read the mainstream media. And what those show me are the same. However, if I limited myself to just the TV, as I do on vacation, I wouldn’t learn anything. No wonder voters are uninformed.
Reid has said that the Boehner deal is dead on arrival. Gateway Pundit has that right. So, I think Boehner should not submit it to the Senate, taking Reid at his word, and just ask for Reid to submit his to the House. Boehner’s willing to compromise.
As for who the Tea Party is fighting…they are fighting the Democrats and the spendthrift Republicans that are terrified that they might actually have to live up to their rhetoric.
I know all sorts of Republicans who really don’t espouse tea party ideas. I wouldn’t assume I could cozy up to the R’s.
I simply can ‘t imagine why you thought Palin was qualified. Its all sound bites. I guess if she says what you want to hear, then go for it. She sure hurt McCain more than she helped him.
I have since decided he is pretty sorry also.
Awww, McLame is still sore because conservatives wouldn’t come out to vote for him. Thank God this guy is no longer listened to.
I bet you voted for McCain, Slow. I feel fairly confident you didn’t vote for Obama.
McCain likes to poke conservatives in the eye, the press used to say. Conservatives poked McCain in Nov. 2008, but it wasn’t in the eye.
Cargo,
I posted Reid’s bill on the thread I put about the scorpion and the frog. What this country needs is jobs and these yahoos in congress, playing chicken with the debt ceiling are NOT helping to create jobs. 2/3 spending cuts to 1/3 tax reform is the compromise. Republicans pretend like Obama got us to this out of control debt, but, it been rising for generations. Defend Bush tax cuts for a start and we’ll talk. At least the Obama stimulus was a finite number, the tax cuts keep getting renewed even though there is no way to pay for them.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2010/08/01/AR2010080103287.html
Write-in for Paul.
I didn’t see it as throwing away my vote, but rather voting FOR somebody instead of against somebody. I wasn’t and am not a Palin fan. I just like to annoy liberals with her.
If we’re being honest with each other, both sides are playing the same game with this debt ceiling thing. The news outlets are having continuous “breaking news-gasms” with it, and I’m pretty much ready to say “let us default and get it over with”
@Elena
Sure. I’ll defend the “tax cuts.” Tax cuts or Bush’s tax reform, to put it another way, because there is no “appropriate” tax, are not spending. So you can’t declare that they are part of the spending problem. Just because they were renewed, does not mean that they are spending programs. How do you justify taking the money of small businesses? It would have been yet another reason to steepen this recession. The renewal didn’t bring new jobs, but the job losses have leveled out. And they’ve been renewed ONCE.
I won’t defend the spending. If we’re going to have a war….have a freaking war and get it over with. Furthermore, if you are going to increase spending in one area, cut it in another.
And it was Pelosi that started the spending spree when the Democrats took over in 2007.
Bush’s worst deficit was just more than 500 billion. Pelosi, with her first budget, that she DID NOT SUBMIT to Bush, tripled that.
In 8 years…Bush spent about 5 trillion. In about 2.5 years, Obama has spent over 4 trillion. So, yes, I blame Obama for the ACCELERATION and INCREASE to unsustainable levels of debt. Remember, he’s touting that deficits will continue, with his agenda, at 1.5 trillion per year. Obama is an exponential increase.
So, Bush does get a lot of the blame. His and the GOP’s spending resulted in the Tea Party beginning to organize out of disgruntled conservatives. And then when Pelosi/Reid started their shenanigans, it coalesced.
And when you say “tax reform” does that mean real reform or just more “tax the rich” propaganda? I know that there are no spending cuts in the bill. Future cuts will not happen. They NEVER have. That’s also the problem with Boehner’s bill. I don’t see anything about Reid’s bill at that link, except a mention that Reid has one. No one has actually seen the details, that I know of. The Senate has yet to put forth a bill to be considered. Reid wants Boehner’s bill amended. That way HE looks……moderate.
How about just raise the limit to December? The budget is supposed to be done by October. Once the new budget comes in, then we see what we have to do. Personally, I think we should freeze spending and CUT 1% from the budget.
The goal should be to LOWER the debt limit.
You are wasting your time to blame anyone. Both men had extreme, unexpected crises to deal with.
Do you think our retail merchants need to go through this kind of fight and upheavel in their busiest season of the year? December is a bad time.
Then there is the point of view that the religious right needed a new home. Look around. Where are they all now?
@Slowpoke Rodriguez
with it, and I’m pretty much ready to say “let us default and get it over with”
What we do not need is a default. Although it might be a good lesson to politicians, it would be catastrophic to our economy.
Wait a second? Is this the same Moon that’s stated that much of this debt is due to Bush’s spending without “paying for it?” So, I shouldn’t blame them because they spent OTHER money unrelated to emergencies?
The fact is that both overspent. NOW is the time to rein it in.