The last sounds and sights of summer are almost on us.  There is almost something bittersweet about  the end of yet another summer.  On the other hand, kids will be back in school, air conditioning bills will drift back to normal, and there is still another month of fresh vegetables.  Anything new at the farmers’ market these days?  The City has been quiet since the Sesquicentennial.  Are you guys still over there?  Updates?  Big Dog?  Cindy?  Steve? Andy?

103 Thoughts to “Open Thread……………………………………..Wednesday, August 17”

  1. Mom

    All right, I’ll start this off but be forewarned, I’m pretty ticked off this morning.

    From Peter Candland’s Facebook Page:

    “Well, we were very disappointed today to see that another Republican candidate in this race has decided to attack me with a very misleading mailpiece about my stance on the rural crescent. I have always supported the rural crescent and she knows that. But since I decided not to sign a pledge from a left wing liberal group, she is purposely misleading people on my position.”

    I guess in this poseur’s estimation that makes me a “left wing liberal”. Those of you that know me know them’s fighting words. Given the membership rolls of other county-based groups, the Rainbow Riding folks for example, I guess the county is just awash in left wing liberal groups. Funny how the avowed conservatives seem to support them with county money, in the case of Rainbow, tens of thousands of county dollars from Candland’s buddy Wally.

    Here’s a thought pretty boy, gain a little experience in the county and knowledge of how local governance works before engaging on a campaign for public office. This campaign is coming off as little more than an ego trip for someone, who if successful, is destined to be little more than the yesman for several incumbent board members (presuming they win re-election).

    With actions (or inaction) come consequences, if you’re too thin-skinned to endure the perceived slights of campaign, you are terribly unprepared for what will come should you assume office. Don’t believe me, ask Stirrup, he knows first-hand what its like to deal with people like me.

    Lastly, smooth move Poindexter, attempting to throw one of the most loyal and hard-working members of the Republican Party under the bus. Martha has done more for the Gainesville District in the last month than you’ve done in the entire time you’ve lived here. Her advocacy for the residents of the County and more specifically the Gainesville District is largely unparalleled and unquestioned. Further, her attendance at the Planning Commission is virtually unblemished while your attendance on Stirrup’s budget committee (something you trumpet as a qualification for office) is spotty at best.

    Do us all a favor and drop out, the advice you’re getting is, well to put it kindly, flawed and you’re making an ass of yourself.

    End Rant.

  2. Lafayette

    This wasn’t posted on FB the last time I did a “drive-by”. Excellent find!

    I couldn’t agree with you more.

    Apparently there’s a “fake” Candland page? Did you happen to see it?
    From FB page.

    *****I am very disappointed to see someone create a false fb page about Peter Candland as a last ditch effort to save their own campaign.
    11 hours ago

    @Mom

    1. Lafayette, how does one have a fake Candland page?

    2. I dont see any fake pages. That is sooo bogus. I looked. @Laf

  3. Lafayette

    @Moon-howler
    I’m asking myself the same question. I guess one set up by someone that’s not officially linked to the campaign. I would like to see the page, with my own two eyes. Or is this person just trying to stir the pot.

  4. I dan’t imagine why someone who wanted to get elected would say some of the things I have read on Candland’s REAL page.

    Why would an office-seeker announce to the world that he only wants to work with conservatives? That makes no sense. I would be setting myself up as a person who would represent all the people of Gainesville District.

    More to the point, why would any of us living here in Gainesville District vote for someone who we knew would never represent us?

    Candland is getting some real bad advice. A friend called yesterday and told me she had seen several signs change from Candland to other candidates.

  5. @Lafayette, wasn’t it Patty who told us the first flyer didn’t even mention the in-town folks who don’t live in Gainesville and Haymarket?

    I know we are the older section of the magisterial district but geez…why smack us in the face with it?

    I don’t read the flyers so I rely on you and Patty to filter things. The Westgate Sudley area WAS the Gainesville Magisterial District for many years. It probably isn’t wise to diss us.

  6. Lafayette

    @Moon-howler
    That wasn’t a flyer, it was a mass emailing. It may have even gone out before Stirrup announced he would run for the 13th Senate seat. If it went out before Stirrup’s announcement that is MAJOR mistake. Stirrup would be the hardest setting supervisor to beat in the supervisor race. I can’t imagine any Republican at the district level could think they could beat Stirrup. Therefore, I’m left to conclude, Candland was once again, and right out of the gate given bad advice. I sure hope he’s not paying for it.

    To diss this “in town” portion of Gainesville, would be a HUGE mistake. We still have many that get out and vote, and even in primaries. It would be quite amusing to see him loose because of the Sinclair, Stonewall, and newly created Sudley precincts.
    *****************************************************
    Here’s the email that went out
    Hi Everyone,

    I hope you’re doing well.

    I wanted to announce to all of you that as of this past weekend, I have decided to run for Gainesville District Supervisor. With Supervisor Stirrup deciding not to run for re-election, I felt this was a perfect time to carry on the work he has done and to ensure that conservative principles continue to be a pillar of the Board of Supervisors.

    As many of you know, several months ago I stepped down as CAN (Conservatives for Accountability Now) Chairman to concentrate on helping conservative campaigns and to get involved more intimately in issue facing our community and state. Serving as Chairman was an honor and pleasure as I was able to meet all of you and create friendships that I hope will stand the test of time. I wanted to thank all of you again for the support you have given CAN.

    Running for Gainesville District Supervisor was not a decision that was made easily. Robyn and I (along with the kids) have discussed the sacrifices we will need to make in this endeavor and have sought the advice from friends and family. In the end, we all felt very strongly that now is the time for someone to stand up and fight for the issues that affect all of us today…

    •lean and efficient government,
    •lower tax burden,
    •bringing jobs to Prince William County,
    •protecting the rural crecent,
    •improving infrastructure,
    •and continuing to make Gainesville/Haymarket a great place for our children and grandchildren to grow up.
    Over the next few days I will be sending out more information. Thank you again for all your help over the last few years and look forward to working with all of you in the future.

    Sincerely,

    Pete Candland

  7. Lafayette

    edit
    I can’t imagine any Republican at the district level could think they could *BEAT* Stirrup.

  8. Juturna

    How can you be a lifelong conservative? How can you be completely conservative on everything??! You stopped thinking at birth? What is conservative anyway?

    Why doesn’t he just say I’m a lifelong spaghetti eater? That has the same value to me.

  9. Juturna

    Disclaimer – I didn’t mean conservatives stop thinking at birth. I mean you’ve thought the same thing since conception?….. so he’s an innatist? He’s the new Plato? I digress.

  10. @Juturna

    I read it the wrong way and of course chortled and snortled.

  11. Juturna

    Of course. This is a tough crowd.

  12. Lafayette

    @Juturna
    I wouldn’t be so tough if the fair had my favorite attraction this year. 😉

  13. Juturna

    Yuk, yuk….At least we’re off the map for that kind of thing. But it’s not over yet.

  14. Lafayette

    I have to settle for racing pigs. I like them too. They just aren’t as enterainting as the divers.

  15. Juturna

    The diving donkey’s. We could politicize that one.

    1. @Juturna

      Do not let Elena hear us. I am still trying to convince her that foxhunting isn’t a cruel sport.

  16. Starryflights

    Perry says he doesn’t believe in global warming
    By STEVE PEOPLES – Associated Press | AP – 10 hrs ago

    http://news.yahoo.com/perry-says-doesnt-believe-global-warming-143259373.html

    He’s an idiot.

  17. Starryflights

    Scare tactics on the border

    By Editorial, Thursday, August 18, 1:49 AM

    The truth is very different. Nearly 18,000 Border Patrol agents are now deployed at the border, a force that has nearly doubled since 2004, in addition to thousands of personnel from other federal agencies as well as hundreds of National Guardsmen. Thanks to that presence, as well as to economic, demographic and other factors in Mexico and the United States, apprehensions of illegal border crossers by the U.S. Border Patrol — a fair measure of the border’s porosity — have been cut by three-quarters over the past decade.

    On current trends, including a 30 percent drop in the past 10 months compared to the same period of 2010, the number of apprehensions in fiscal year 2011 will be the lowest in 40 years. In other words, illegal immigration has fallen to levels last seen in the Nixon administration.

    http://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/scare-tactics-on-the-border/2011/08/12/gIQANC68LJ_story.html?hpid=z3

    The Obama Administration’s efforts to secure the border have been very, very successful. Time now for immigration reform.

  18. After 31 months in office, Pres. Obama has taken 61 vacation days. Presidents Bush and Clinton had taken 180 days and 28 days respectively by the same point in their presidencies.

    How quickly they forget!! All sorts of people are grumbling that the president is headed to Martha’s Vineyard for vacation when the country is in peril. I think that the same groups grouse that Mr.Obama also plays golf.

  19. @Starryflights
    I hope you aren’t counting on President Obama getting any credit for securing the border. It won’t happen.

    Thanks for sharing this information, Starry.

  20. Steve Thomas

    Starryflights :Perry says he doesn’t believe in global warmingBy STEVE PEOPLES – Associated Press | AP – 10 hrs ago
    http://news.yahoo.com/perry-says-doesnt-believe-global-warming-143259373.html
    He’s an idiot.

    I don’t believe in man-made global warming either. That make me an idiot too? I guess everyone who looks at the often debunked claims of the man-made global warming crowd with skepticism is an idiot. Since we are so stupid, perhaps you can explain the cause of the warming that has occurred since the last ice-age, which ended about 15,000 years ago? Was that man-made? Or how about the “little ice age” during the 16th – 19th centuries, which interupted the warming trend that had begun during the middle ages? Man cause those as well?

  21. SlowpokeRodriguez

    Starryflights :
    He’s an idiot.

    I hope these brilliant assessments don’t take too long to craft.

  22. Big Dog

    Arraaghh!

    Markets down 4% and it isn’t even noon – could easily mean
    almost a year’s worth of 401K contributions down the drain
    in an hour of trading.

  23. When I got up early the futures were actually up. Then the bottom fell out across the pond…and here we are. ARRGGHHHHHHHHHHHHH @Big Dog

  24. Pat.Herve

    well thank goodness that future generations will recognize my contributions to the US, and fund my Social Security – and that it is not tied to the stock market in a private account that is subject to the market whims of the day.

  25. Starryflights

    The fact that Gov Perry’s state benefits tremendously from oil and gas probably has something to do with his views on global warming. Maybe he’s not an idiot but a liar.

  26. SlowpokeRodriguez

    Pat.Herve :
    well thank goodness that future generations will recognize my contributions to the US, and fund my Social Security – and that it is not tied to the stock market in a private account that is subject to the market whims of the day.

    Yes, because having your savings in a private account actually requires you to think for yourself. To know how close you are to retirement, and to move your assets accordingly. To understand that historically, the market provides you with a much better return than the government. Much better to let the government hold on to it for you, to grab it whenever they want in order to spend it on some Representative’s political favor studying the mating habits of the eastern orange baboon injected daily with ecstasy.

  27. Steve Thomas

    Starryflights :The fact that Gov Perry’s state benefits tremendously from oil and gas probably has something to do with his views on global warming. Maybe he’s not an idiot but a liar.

    Or maybe he’s a skeptic like me.

  28. Starryflights

    Very interesting and compelling article from PIMCO investor

    School Daze, School Daze
    Good Old Golden Rule Days

    Politicians feel that fiscal conservatism equates to job growth. It’s difficult to believe, however, that an American-based corporation, with profits as its primary focus, can somehow be wooed back to American soil with a feeble and historically unjustified assurance that Social Security will be now secure or that medical care inflation will disinflate. Admittedly, those are long-term requirements for a stable and healthy economy, but fiscal balance alone will not likely produce 20 million jobs over the next decade. The move towards it, in fact, if implemented too quickly, could stultify economic growth.
    Additionally and immediately, however, government must take a leading role in job creation. Conservative or even liberal agendas that cede responsibility for job creation to the private sector over the next few years are simply dazed or perhaps crazed. The private sector is the source of long-term job creation but in the short term, no rational observer can believe that global or even small businesses will invest here when the labor over there is so much cheaper. That is why trillions of dollars of corporate cash rest impotently on balance sheets awaiting global – non-U.S. – investment opportunities. Our labor force is too expensive and poorly educated for today’s marketplace.

    http://www.pimco.com/EN/Insights/Pages/School-Daze-School-Daze-Good-Old-Golden-Rule-Days.aspx

    That last sentence really is like a punch to the gut.

  29. Juturna

    Regardless of his enviromental stance, the fact that Texas benefits from gas and oil accounts for lower than 9% unemployment rate, not the leadership from the Governor.

  30. @Pat.Herve

    Whether they want to or not. I sure hope people aren’t being seduced into thinking that a 401k is a good exchange for a pension. 401ks are great as a back up to a pension. They are no substutite for a pension under normal circumstances.

  31. @Juturna, how much gulf clean up was there off Texas? Would that have added to employment numbers?

  32. @Starry,

    I am wondering what the investor mean by ‘poorly educated.’ That was a rather blase remark thrown out without any explanation. Are workers lacking formal academic skills or technical skills? There are too many ‘white collar’ people out of work, although not really in this area.

  33. @Steve, Do you really thing that it is possible for man to dump chemicals, soot, oil and coal bi-products into the atmosphere and waters for over a century and not impact the earth?

    I remain skeptical also…but skeptical that we aren’t experiencing some sort of change that is man made. It only makes sense that we would have some impact on the earth.

    Glacier National Park made a believer of sorts out of me. The last of the glaciers are rapidly melting, much faster than predicted.

  34. Steve Thomas

    Juturna :Regardless of his enviromental stance, the fact that Texas benefits from gas and oil accounts for lower than 9% unemployment rate, not the leadership from the Governor.

    Or it might have something to do with the VERY business friendly environment in Texas, which has resulted in many companies leaving liberal bastions such as CA and NY and relocating to places like Texas.
    Then again, these are real jobs. Not “jobs saved or created”. Bash aways Starry. Bash away. Meanwhile Obama loaded up the family in the Griswald family truckster, and gone on vacation. No jobs plan. Everything he has done has failed. His poll numbers are in the tank, and soon he’ll run out of Middle-Eastern dictators to bomb.
    Admit it. You just despise Republicans. If they appear to be a threat to Obama, you label them as crack-pots, extremists, or idiots. Palin, Bachman, Perry… My question to you is: is there any announced Republican candidate who you would find acceptable?

  35. Big Dog

    Press report from “Goodwill game” in Beijing last night.

    The Bayi Rockets and the Georgetown Hoya
    basketball teams got into a bench clearing, chair throwing
    brawl and the game had to be called.

    Fight over who is the real Beast of the East?

  36. Steve Thomas

    @Moon-howler
    “Do you really thing that it is possible for man to dump chemicals, soot, oil and coal bi-products into the atmosphere and waters for over a century and not impact the earth?”

    Happens daily on the big Island of Hawaii, and from every other active volcano in the world, and in volumes far greater than the sum total of all man-made carbon dioxide released during the last century. Methane, carbon dioxide, and other green house gases are released in far larger quantities naturally from wetlands, the sea, etc. Is the global climate really warming? There’s much data that indicates if it is, it’s not warming nearly at the rate the Algore crowd was screaming about, and there is a ton of data that would indicate that globally we are actually cooling, not warming. So to answer your question; I do not think it is contributing significantly to “global warming” or “global cooling”. Now that is not t say we shouldn’t be looking at ways to keep mercury out of our water, or there isn’t a sound financial business case for exploring alternative energy. I agree we need to “reduce our dependency on foreign oil” for economic and foreign policy reasons. I think we should increase domestic production as short-term strategy, and look for ways to transition our economy away from fossil fuels. I believe this for a number of reasons, none of which include man-made global climate change.

  37. SlowpokeRodriguez

    Why didn’t someone tell me that it was Tom Davis who pushed for the congressional inquiry into Roger Clemens? That was the biggest waste of time and money in quite some time!

  38. SlowpokeRodriguez

    Moon-howler :
    @Starry,
    I am wondering what the investor mean by ‘poorly educated.’ That was a rather blase remark thrown out without any explanation. Are workers lacking formal academic skills or technical skills? There are too many ‘white collar’ people out of work, although not really in this area.

    Ahh, one of my favorite topics! Seimens explained a few months back that the American work force cannot handle the types of jobs they need to fill. The world is changing….and quick. Our education system has been working hard over the last many years to dumb things down so that everyone can “succeed”. Take a nice big whiff of the consequences. The federal government has no business being involved in education. The feds can’t make everyone succeed the same, but it sure can make everyone fail the same!

  39. SlowpokeRodriguez

    @Steve Thomas
    Remember back when that volcano in Iceland erupted, screwing up all the air travel? They were saying in the news outlets that just one of those eruptions erased every single action man had taken up to that point to protect the planet….in terms of noxious gases and materials released. I’ll never forget that story when it came out.

  40. @Steve, I believe the earth and atmosphere adjust to what goes on here all the time. Those catastrophic events like Kracatoa and other erruptions that cause winter summers, etc because the atmosphere has so much volcanic by-product in it, are just proof that the earth adjust to things like that without some blow back.

    I don’t have enough environmental science courses under my belt to even think about arguing from a scientific point of view. I have spent a fair number of decades on this earth and I know our Virginia growing season has gotten longer. I know the glaciers are melting in Glacier National Park, and I have read about the polar bears getting stranded on ice floats.

    I am skeptical enough to think there is something to all of this, regardless of who wants to turn what scientific findings into something political. I am always amazed that science becomes political. Then I think about the earth being round, Galileo being under house arrest, and Scopes and I am not so amazed.

    Another way to look at it is that earth has things happening naturally on it, day in and day out. Places like Hawaii, New Zealand, Iceland, and Yellowstone have continual release of ‘stuff’ that includes greenhouse gases, sulfurs etc. These things have been happening for millions of years and are part of the balance of why the earth is the way it is. That’s why earth doesn’t need us, the humans, toxifying it even more. I don’t think there is anything in nature that relicates exhaust from gasoline engines, is there?

  41. SlowpokeRodriguez

    Yeah, Ian Pilmer and CO2/volcanoes. It was a five-day eruption of that one volcano erasing everything man had done to decrease CO2 emissions in the last five years. We are like a fly on an elephant’s bum when it comes to destroying the planet.

  42. @pokie,

    you have read too much about what education is supposedly doing that just isn’t true. How has it dumbed down? Different skills are needed by youngsters than they were when I was a kid.

    I would say that expecting 100% off the kids in every school to master a state testing plan is a fairly NOT -so dumbed down idea. In fact, it is ridiculous. More kids can read today than they could 40 years ago. That right there is a significant statement. When I was a kid those who couldnt read got stuffed in the cloak closet with a book. Now the entire school jumps up and down trying to get a kid to learn to read.

    I do agree that the federal government should not be in schools, especially in curriculum design. I think once the little pokies get in school, you will see that things aren’t so dumbed down after all.

  43. Everything I have ever learned tells me that kind of thinking is erroneous. We all have to think in terms of 1000 cuts. Where is the cut off? Where is the saturation point? How much is too much?

    I am not a scientist. However, a little history tells you about soil depletion, erosion, dust bowls, etc. Those things are definitely man-made.

  44. Pat.Herve

    pokie,

    do you think the average American is a good investor? That they do not try to market time, and that they really understand investing – and are not emotional investors?

  45. Juturna

    Steve Thomas :

    Juturna :Regardless of his enviromental stance, the fact that Texas benefits from gas and oil accounts for lower than 9% unemployment rate, not the leadership from the Governor.

    Or it might have something to do with the VERY business friendly environment in Texas, which has resulted in many companies leaving liberal bastions such as CA and NY and relocating to places like Texas.Then again, these are real jobs. Not “jobs saved or created”. Bash aways Starry. Bash away. Meanwhile Obama loaded up the family in the Griswald family truckster, and gone on vacation. No jobs plan. Everything he has done has failed. His poll numbers are in the tank, and soon he’ll run out of Middle-Eastern dictators to bomb.Admit it. You just despise Republicans. If they appear to be a threat to Obama, you label them as crack-pots, extremists, or idiots. Palin, Bachman, Perry… My question to you is: is there any announced Republican candidate who you would find acceptable?

    “I despise Republicans” – good grief. I’m married to one and have voted Republican in three of the last five presidential elections. I liked McCain and I like Hunstman. I like Boehner, McConnell and Scott Brown…. wow. Please show me where I have used words to decribe Republicans as crackpots, extremists or idiots??!!

    I’m probably more of a snob than anything. I do prefer people who think compelte thoughts, those that are for more things than they are against and just to be consistant – use multiple syllables.

    Where on earth did that attack come from??!!

    1. @Juturna,

      I could probably vote for Scott Brown or Russ Potts. I have voted for John Warner. I have voted locally for Republicans (a couple). I will vote for one in the primary. It gets harder and harder to find ones without extreme agendas. Where have all the moderate Republicans gone?

      In presidential races, I have voted half and half.

    2. @Steve, some of us are Obama supporters. I would not put Juturna in that category, necessarily. I don’t know where this is coming from since she has been rather critical of the president in recent posts.

      I have not heard her broadbrush Republicans as extremists, crackpots or idiots. I have probably hinted at that with some of them but she hasn’t.

      I don’t think Romney or Huntsman are crack pots. Not at all. I think Newt is smart but unlikeable. I think Bachmann, Perry, Palin, Santorum are extremist. I think Ron Paul is a likeable crackpot. I can’t remember who else is running. I admire the hard work Bachmann has done but I could never vote for her. Perry and Palin are the most contemptible, in my opinion. I have voted presidentially Republican as often as Democratically. The Republicans need to get rid of the idea that they are running all the RINOs off. It isn’t the same party that I used to vote for. I would find it hard to vote Republican nowadays, at least for a president. The last time I did was Daddy Bush.

  46. Mom

    Interesting post on Virtucon:

    “Things are heating up in the race to be the next Gainesville Dist. Supervisor in PWC. Martha Hendley’s campaign has put out a mailer hitting Peter Candland on his attendance at John Stirrup’s Budget Cmte. meetings, pointing out that he missed 13 out of 19 meetings.”

    1. Well, did he miss that many meetings? That would be very verifiable through Stirrup’s office. If he missed that many meetings he should consider removing that atta boy from his county resume.

  47. Juturna

    Wonder what Stirrups no show rate is for BoS meetings. Considering, they may not track THAT data!

    1. @Juturna

      I know someone who has tracked that information.

  48. Juturna

    Plus Brown is just sooooooooooooooo cute. So is Mitt – who looks simply dashing in a patterned sweater.

    1. I am curious how people used to decide who to vote for. INformation was so slow. It is entirely possible no one even saw a picture.

      I am convinced that looks have a great deal to do with an election.

  49. Cato the Elder

    Pat.Herve :
    pokie,
    do you think the average American is a good investor? That they do not try to market time, and that they really understand investing – and are not emotional investors?

    Are you implying market timing isn’t possible?

  50. Juturna

    MH I have TRIED to like Obama more than any other president – it’s not working for me. I think you know that. Would agree with you that looks do deceive people – we all want to be considered great looking!

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