A decade seems like a very short time, in so many ways.
Osama Bin Laden found out that he had awakened a sleeping giant.
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The upcoming book by Joe McGinniss about Sarah Palin’s alleged drug abuse and sexual interludes should, as Dick Cheney would say, make some heads spin. Best of all, it is the inspiration for a new series of Doonesbury comics by Garry Trudeau parodying Fox News trying to do damage control for Palin.
http://nymag.com/daily/intel/2011/09/sarah_palin_cocaine_glen_rice_nba.html?imw=Y&f=most-viewed-24h5
@Moe, I guess if its true (and that makes Rice not a gentleman if he confirmed it) then that dispells the myth that Palin is a bigot. I am suspicious of anyone who would move in next door to the family just to snoop. That dude Joe McGinniss is going to go out one night and step into a bear trap or something. The Mama Grizzly will think she snared a rat.
Pat Robertson disclosed today that there’s an Alzheimer’s caveat to the “until death us do part” vow.
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2011/09/14/entertainment/main20106425.shtml
Everyone is good. I didn’t get in trouble (surprisingly!). But I can’t get Mama Mia pizza out of my head. I have to do it again for lunch tomorrow. I think Marinm had lasagna….and I swear it looked sooooooo good!
@pokie, they have really good food. I have loved their steak and cheese subs for more years than I want to admit. I was thrilled when they started delivering. I call the one up in Kmart shopping center. They have been around a long time.
They do have lasagna. I rarely get it because I am addicted to the s % c but it is good. Enjoy your lunch!!! Does that store deliver?
I don’t know….maybe I’ll get back into the groove. It does feel a little different, though. Strange, huh?
Maybe its because you discovered that we didn’t have those little pointy liberal tails you had envisioned us with?
Well, Moe did but he kept his tucked in his pants. I covered up my satanic horns with my hair. Just kidding! Just kidding!!!
Maybe its harder to smite us now you know we have faces? I am sure the old Pokie will snap back with a zinger here, a zinger there. Where is marin? I think his kids softened him up a little.
@Slowpoke Rodriguez
I did and it was. 😉
MH, kids are doing great. I think the growth spurt is fading as they’re not crying/eating every hour. So, we can get some rest. The better half swears that Mia grew over night. She was also able to grip a rattle for a few seconds. I’m sooo tempted to buy these little itty bitty pink ‘scrubs’ and have them say Dr. Marin.
So tempting…
I’m around. Was locked up in a secret squirrel meeting today (during my break I posted a question in the flood thread but seems to have not got traction) and will be in the same meeting tomorrow.
I was giddy to hear that the electorate sent a message to President Obama and the Palestine vote (UN) is gonna bite the administration hard. I even bought myself some pricey chocolate to celebrate. I may get a cupcake tomorrow…
@marin, I discussed your question. hfffrummpffff.
re Palestine- are you doing the binary thing on Israel-Palestine? Israel is 100% right and Palestine is 100% wrong?
I hear that, as will all books of this nature, Fabio has agreed to do the cover photo. The question is: will anyone other than three or four folks on this blog buy this book? My guess? Nope. I mean, this is the creep who rented the place next the Palins in order to spy (and FAP)….this is essentially liberal porn.
No Palin fan here but that kind of crap is just not necessary. I don’t care who Palin dated or what she has done with other men. She is entitled to her privacy. I didn’t like the sensationalism with Clinton and I don’t like it with Palin.
http://www.denverpost.com/littwin/ci_18896539?source=rss
Obama may still win in 2012 thanks to the — Republicans.
Understand the need to appeal to the base in primaries, but they are scaring the
hell of moderate voters that will need to have in the general election.
The big “O’ is a flawed president, but he isn’t a howling nut case.
This new Palin book will further deteriorate our ability to get good people to stand for elections. I was taught growing up in Sunday School that the only perfect life ever lived was Jesus Christ. Absolutely everyone else has flaws. I’m sure Sara Palin, just like everyone, has done things in her past that she would prefer not be written about publicly. Many good people are going to see episodes like this, realize they did something stupid in the past that will be uncovered, and then chose not to run out of fear of embarrassment.
Clinton is somewhat different. I never cared whether or not he smoked pot but didn’t inhale while he was a college student. The issue with him was not his past but his carrying on affairs with interns WHILE president, and then lying about it. Same with Gingrich, who had affairs while serving as an elected official and proclaiming family values. Again, the issue is not having done something stupid or embarrassing while in college or before anyone knew who they were. It’s conduct such as this while serving as an elected official and being in a role model situation.
From Big Dog’s link above:
“I can see Bennet on on the line to Obama now, saying, “I know it looks bad, but we’ve got ’em just where we want ’em.”
Or maybe you missed the debate-crowd cheers Monday for the hypothetical uninsured guy in the coma to be left outside the hospital to, uh, hypothetically die. That came just a few days after the crowd was cheering for the 240 or so non- hypothetical death penalty executions over which Gov. Perry has presided. It was a shock and awe doubleheader.
I’m wondering what the crowd would do if the hypothetically uninsured comatose guy were to be virtually executed. Maybe we’ll find out in next week’s episode — unless they decide to ditch the live audience and play it safe with a laugh track instead.”
This stuff is kind of funny coming the crowd which shrieked “death panels”.
Those kinds of things won’t be forgotten, for sure, Censored. Throw in ponzi scheme and the eyes will roll. I support the death penalty and I was grossed out over the cheering just because of the question and answer. Had he qualified his answer with something that explained what he did to make sure he could sleep at night, I might have been ok with it. However, the cheering…geez.
@Big Dog
“The big “O’ is a flawed president, but he isn’t a howling nut case.”
I do believe that this is a matter of perspective. The Democrats couldn’t even win in NY-9. Seems like the Republican Brand might have recovered quite a bit.
You know, it could have been that they just liked the guy with the R better than they did the guy with the D. That isn’t all that unusual. I can think of cases where I liked the R person better than the D person right here in PW. The R got my vote and this is back in the days when I was a D. I tend to think that is just the sign of a mature voter. That might also be one of the reasons I no longer sit on the D committee.
I wouldn’t read too much into that one race. It wouldn’t make me go home and start packing, for sure. Everyone has about 14 months to screw up and reverse any trend being set.
Also, some birds puff their feathers up to scare other birds off. I am not even close to thinking Obama is a done deal. I think Steve is trying the old psychology of trying to make everyone think Obama has had it. Nahhhh…..just put your fingers in your ears and sing.
Regarding the Palin book: Are we assuming the allegations are truthful, or is this a matter of interviewing a bunch of “un-named sources” who said x,y,z, and then claiming some journalistic right to protect sources, and then blaming the sources for incorrect information when the libel/slander suit starts? Dan Rather and Forged Documents? Anyone?
I don’t have an opinion one way or the other as to veracity. I don’t believe in doing that to people to start with. Its crummy politics. I am not a Palin fan. In fact, I actively dislike her as a political figure. But, I don’t support any type of warfare that would employ tactics like this. In the first place, I don’t care what SP does or doesn’t do. It isn’t my business. Her past is even less my business. That’s between her and her husband if she was married. If she wasn’t, then it isn’t any of his business either.
And being the big hypocrite that I am, I do not have the same beliefs about John Edwards. His case is a little different. His behavior betrayed a decent woman while he was asking us to be our leader. That’s just a little bit different. John Edwards is a total scum bag.
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@Moon-howler
“I think Steve is trying the old psychology of trying to make everyone think Obama has had it.”
Moon,
Obama has had it. No psych-out, no bluster. The GOP hasn’t even nominated a candidate yet, and I’m willing to call the race. Why? Because I am analyzing the entire picture. I’m like that weatherman from the movie “The Perfect Storm”. I am looking at the forces colliding and my forecast is for a very bad night for the Democrats. Not only has Obama had it, but the Democrats are going to lose the Senate, and additional seats in the House. How many, I am not sure yet, but a significant amount. Mark this post. If I am wrong, I’ll buy you a very nice bottle of crushed & fermented grapes.
@Morris Davis
I can’t begin to tell you how much Robertson’s rationale or more appropriately lack thereof DISGUTS me. I’ve seen numerous familly members suffer with this dreadful disease. I can’t imagine my mom having divorced my dad when he became a combative Alzheimer’s patient. It’s really concerning to me that someone can rationalize religion in such a manner. All the weak and faint at heart would divorce their loved one. I sure saw family members “divorce” their family members in fear of having to get their hands dirty. What happens if the whole family were to “divorce” the Alzheimer’s patient?
I try not to ever discuss religion in a public forum. However, this is one of a handful of exception to my rule.
Edit
*ONLY the weak and faint at heart would divorce their loved one.
and yet ANOTHER blow to the AGW folks. Nobel-Prize-winning physicist resigns because he can’t’ take the AGW Bull-Patties any more. When the last scientist says “AGW is a load of manure” will we still be standing around saying “these Nobel-winning scientists are so anti-science!”
http://canadafreepress.com/index.php/article/40365
@Lafayette
Something really doesn’t add up with the whole Robertson-divorce-your-Alzheimer’s-loved-one thing, right?
Not only have I read the scriptures, but last year completed and intense self-study of the Biblical principles of Christian marriage. Jesus was pretty clear: The only acceptable reason for divorce is adultery. If you divorce your spouse for any other reason, and remarry, then you are committing adultery yourself. Christ’s words according to the gospel, not mine, and certainly not Pat Roberston’s.
Thanks for the evisceration visual! 🙂
@Moon-howler
Scathing review of the Palin book in the NYT: http://www.nytimes.com/2011/09/15/books/joe-mcginnisss-the-rogue-on-sarah-palin-review.html
@SlowpokeRodriguez
I think that’s what I had on my mind, and not proper grammar. 🙂
Lafayette, I agree, Robertson’s remarks make a person want to puke… 😉
@Steve Thomas
You’ll get no argument from me on Christ’s word according to the gospel. Just because I choose not to discuss religion, doesn’t mean I’m lacking knowledge of the subject. It’s very hard for me to believe that this is his perception of the gospel. And as we all know perception is reality, right? 🙂
As I read this it seems harsh, but this is NOT my intent. My intent is express my concern of how can a religous leader have such a distorted view? And that people will actually believe this BS of his. I seriously doubt will see a mad rush to lawyers for people to divorce their sick spouses.
@Censored bybvbl
The Doctors are discussing sex today and have invited Ann Coulter to the set. This is going to be wacky. I usually listen to Shepard Smith, but I’m making yet another exception today.
It appears that the White House has attempted to influence the testimony of Gen Shelton, the commander of Air Force Command, to Congress. Lightsquared, Inc is attempting to introduce broadband wireless service that transmits at a very strong intensity and at a frequency close to GPS. This broadband service will therefore likely interfere with GPS receivers and applications. For example, such a system could interfere with air travel, because the FAA NEXTGEN system will rely on GPS for controlling aircraft. It would seem to be a no-brainer that frequency allocation to Lightsquared should be denied, but the CEO is a big supporter of the president.
http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2011/09/15/lightsquared-did-white-house-pressure-general-shelton-to-help-donor.html
Robertson cites marriage vows to stay together “until death do us part” and goes on to describe Alzheimer’s as a kind of death that justifies divorce. Is this a back-handed endorsement of euthanasia? Someone with Alzheimer’s is already dead? Where does that statement put him in terms of Right to Life?
In my family we’ve had relatives with Alzheimer’s and the thought of discarding them and considering them already dead never crossed anyone’s mind. They were taken care of by the family until the end. Once again, Pat Robertson’s version of Christianity is not the one I practice.
@Need to Know
” Pat Robertson’s version of Christianity is not the one I practice.”
Nor mine.
@Steve Thomas #22
I agree, barring some completely unexpected event or massive blunder by the Republicans. The economy and jobs are virtually always the deciding factor in elections. I’m not ready to ring the alarm bells for another recession, but see nothing but continued stagnation. Most forecasts have real GDP growth at around 2% this year and into 2012. That will not bring down the unemployment rate significantly before the election. Even if other economic measures began to show strength now, employment is unlikely to improve much by early next year. Also, historically the economy must improve a few months ahead of the election for people to change their perception. For example, in the 1992 election, the economy was doing well and clearly out of the recession by Election Day. Nonetheless, Clinton was able to claim “it’s the economy, stupid” and win the election on the basis of people’s perception that the economy was still in the doldrums.
I support the parts of Obama’s jobs plan designed to tide people over (until we can replace him :-)) such as an extension of unemployment benefits, as well as the tax cuts. However, Obama still doesn’t get it. The government does not create wealth, prosperity and jobs. That’s the private sector’s role. Obama and company still think it’s the government.
Republicans can still blow this. For example, they could nominate Palin or some other unelectable candidate. They could create a perception that the economy is still languishing because they obstructed Obama’s efforts to create jobs.
Also, remember that unexpected events such as 9/11 could occur and Americans usually don’t want to change horses during a crisis.
For the most part, I agree with Steve’s assessment, but I hold open a chance for Obama to win reelection if the Republicans bungle it, or if a major crisis erupts.
I support the jobs initiative that repairs and strengthens our infastructure. Some of the most beautiful architecture in the country is from those projects undertaken during the Depression. It has stood us in good stead for 70 some years. Many of our bridges and roads are in ill repair and they keep getting pushed back because of lack of funding. Do we wait until an accident happens? This initiative kills 2 birds with one stone…maybe more. People are put back to work. The roads and bridges will be repaired, people need to live in housing and we need to get people off of unemployment. Money will be pumped back into jurisdictions, etc. Somehow we might end up with an improved tax base.
Sometimes you have to spend money to make money.
MH,
Don’t hate the messenger.
From Virginia Pilot
On a 12-1 vote, Virginia’s Board of Health approved temporary regulations requiring licensure of clinics where at least five first-trimester abortions are performed per month. The decision came after a lengthy public hearing and discussion by the 15-member board composed of nine Republican appointees and six Democratic ones.
The guidelines would hold clinics to architectural standards that many in the state don’t currently meet, and establish annual licensing protocols and procedures for unannounced facility inspections.
http://hamptonroads.com/2011/09/virginia-panel-approves-new-abortion-clinic-standards
@Steve Thomas
Apparently Christ was never exposed to spousal abuse then.
@Lafayette
I think Pat Robertson might have some sort of dementia himself. I don’t say that to be mean. He just says some really foolish things.
Now, from a legal point of view, I can understand divorce in order to balance out money. If you have to put someone in care for a long time, it might be the only way to protect yourself from various claims on your estate if the person who has to be cared for is a spouse. It might vary from state to state.
Also, I am reminded of the situation with Sandra Day O’Connor and her husband. She was very mature about him falling for another woman. My stepson’s father in law also pointed a gun at him and threatened to kill him if he came between him and his woman (who was a maid pulling a scam on him.)
Translation: nothing would surprise me.
@Need to Know
Euthanasia will become more and more of an issue as more and more boomers deal with their parents and themselves. I am one who feels we treat our animals with far more dignity than we treat our human loved ones and no one will every convince me otherwise.
I very much believe in death with dignity if that is the desire of the patient and I say that without apology. The state has a certain amount of responsibility to protect me from the kids stuffing a pillow over my face to get the insurance money but beyond that, I feel I every right to say when to pull the plug.
Thanks Marin. So the entire rough draft passed? Then the State Board of Health is simply compromised mainly of ideological A-holes who simply do not understand that what they have done is increased the safety of legal abortion.
Time to go to court. The dentist, proctologist, GI internist, dermatologist, oral surgeon, podiatrist and plastic surgeon would also be facing the same changes if that vote was really about protecting anyone.
I am not surprised but I am totally disgusted at how incredibly sneaky people are.
And these are the very effen people who do not want governement regulations and who want government out of their business. I will have one mantra every time I hear anything about the role of govt. “Abortion providers.”
MH, again. Don’t kill me. I report, you decide.
According to the survey by Quinnipiac University, 55 percent of voters said they support tougher regulations, while 22 percent opposed it.
also
Half of the voters who participated in the survey said abortion should be legal in most or all cases. But 50 percent also view the proposed regulations as a necessary step to protect women’s health, according the poll. Women favored the new law by a margin of 54-21.
“There is strong support for the new abortion law among men and women,” said Peter Brown, assistant director of the Quinnipiac University Polling Institute. “Opponents apparently have been unable to convince the electorate that this is an unwarranted back-door way to stop abortions. Even Democrats, by a plurality, support the measure.”
http://www.roanoke.com/news/breaking/wb/298334
Moon, The Terri Schiavo case comes to mind too..when and where does it start/stop…
@Red Dawn
Don’t even get me started on that. Grrrrrr
Hi Red Dawn
@Red Dawn
Don’t forget Hugh Finn and the vigils that were held in front of Annaburg Manor. I have the dirty details if you want them. But, I’m sure you remember. I believe in the right to die with diginity, and with what if any life saving measures I want to keep me alive.
Want to add my name to this post! I saw this after I left a note for RedDawn.
Laf, I wonder how Pat feels about the RIGHT to die if he considers that a death so to speak…
Moon, your second paragraph about going to court and the other offices mimics what a certain high-speed, high-tech Critical Care Nurse Manager I am married to said: regulate them all or close them up and pull them back into hospitals – especially the elective stuff like cosmetic surgery (to include Botox injections).
Her second point about the hospitals – interesting scenario. Moody’s has issued an analysis on impact to nonprofit hospitals who must do charity care, and what the proposed cuts in Medicaid will do. Bad news in that report. But, if you close up the “doc shops” for especially the elective stuff and pull it back into hospitals, that is private pay and those nonprofits could balance against the Medicaid cuts.
Suprised Virginia Hospital Association is not jumping at the chance. Agree though EVERY one of the other clinics need to have deep set regulations…what’s good for the goose, is good for the gander as the old wags say!
I am glad others see it that way, for sure. I don’t see how one procedure can be singled out like that and have it stick.
I don’t think this one will stand the wiff test. The hypocrisy of this new law is glaring.
Moon,
You are mixing the secular with the religous. There are a multitude of secular reasons for seeking a divorce from your spouse (Abuse, addiction, incarceration, adultery or other major breach-of-trust, etc., etc.), all of them valid, but (and it’s a really BIG but), there is only one (Christian) spiritual reason, according to Christ’s words, as contained in the Gospel. That was my point. Please do not misinterprate my comments to mean I am condemning those who divorce for reasons other than adultery. I am not. In what we define as marriage, there is a secular component an all, and there is a spiritual component in some. The secular is purview of the legal system. The spiritual is the purview of the faith to which one follows. I don’t think Pat Robertson was speaking as a lawyer, judge, or elected leader in this regard. Therefore, I can only assume he was speaking as a spiritual leader, considering that is what he is. Also considering he is a Christian religeous leader (not a Jewish, Muslim, Buddist, Wiccan, etc….leader) It is safe to assume he and I are reading from the same book. Now, if he were a Jewish Rabbi, I would have to consider his views from the perspective of the Jewish faith. I’d go to the Tora, and read that, and could very well reach the same conclusion as Pat Roberston. Since he is a Protestant Christian Leader, I am 100% positive he and I read the same book. Therefore I am 100% positive that his position has no basis in scripture, and IS in fact contrary to what Christ taught.
I don’t have much heartburn with (Christian) religeous leaders commenting on secular issues. I do have heartburn with a religous leader commenting on any issue, spiritual or secular, when what they are saying is clearly counter to what scripture teaches. On this issue, scripture is as clear as a bell: http://www.openbible.info/topics/divorce
So, if Pat Robertson is a leader within the Christian Community, and he is espousing views that are clearly counter to what Christ said about the subject, then he is leading Christians astray. On some topics there is room for interpretation. In the case of Divorce, none at all.
Did the Catholic Church overlook that part?
In fairness to Pat Robertson, perhaps he was not just speaking as a religious leader. I heard him this morning. I had given him the benefit of the doubt, thinking perhaps in some cases it protected assets to divorce, so medicaid would kick in the the care. (I am still not sure it doesn’t.) but he clarified, that he meant for companionship. I guess that is just his opinion.
Let’s go back to spousal abuse and Christ. Perhaps Christ did speak to spousal abuse and it just didn’t make it in the Good Book. I certainly don’t think God meant for people to sit around and have the stuffing beaten out of them.
Would it be fair to throw out at this point that I am not a fundamentalist? Should Pat Robertson only speak to things scriptural? I am not a big fan of Pat Robertson but….I do try to be fair.
@Moon-howler
“Perhaps Christ did speak to spousal abuse and it just didn’t make it in the Good Book. I certainly don’t think God meant for people to sit around and have the stuffing beaten out of them.”
He most certainly did, and at the root-level: Mathew 5:21-26 ““You have heard that it was said to those of old, ‘You shall not murder; and whoever murders will be liable to judgment.’ But I say to you that everyone who is angry with his brother will be liable to judgment; whoever insults his brother will be liable to the council; and whoever says, ‘You fool!’ will be liable to the hell of fire. So if you are offering your gift at the altar and there remember that your brother has something against you, leave your gift there before the altar and go. First be reconciled to your brother, and then come and offer your gift. Come to terms quickly with your accuser while you are going with him to court, lest your accuser hand you over to the judge, and the judge to the guard, and you be put in prison. … ”
Again, red-letter, right from the gospels. Christ said any anger (abuse included) directed against another is sinful, so don’t do it, and if you do, you are to make ammends quickly, before you find yourself judged. He was addressing the sinner side of the equation. However, I don’t think you will like the answer regarding the victim side of the equation: He sent His son to die for our sins, and this included heaps of abuse and a slow and painful death. Again, I am not at all trying to say that an abuse victim should remain in a situation where they are in danger of further abuse. I say get away as fast as you can. Pray that God shows up in the abusers life, and ask God for forgivness for divorcing for a reason other than adultry. That forgivness will be given.
Pat Robertson can speak on any topic he wishes too. But he needs to qualify his statements with “In my opinion” rather than intentionally or unintentionally imply there is a scriptural basis for what he is saying. Because of who he is, the implication is always present.
I found out more about Mr. Robertson at lunch. Apparently he had been asked about a man who had ‘taken up company’ with another because his wife had had alzheimers for a long time. I think Robertson was telling him to divorce rather than commit adultery. I don’t have an opinion. Just clarifying that which got left out of the original content of the story. What the media picked up on sounded cold. The original makes a lot more sense.
Back to the orginal debate, I don’t see where Christ said it was ok to divorce if one is being abused.
I don’t disagree about Robertson. I also think the media has a responsibility to tell the whole story….but I am spitting in the wind on that one.