Interesting. I would think that the tea party would value free speech. The teacher was on his own time. Yet the tea party wants vengeance. The local school board wisely will take no action against the teacher.
I thought the tea party folks were rude and and strident. I found it especially offensive that the teacher was told not to teach liberal ideas. The kids were brought there as children. The Dream Act is for children who have been schooled in the United States and who are good students. It is simply an investment in America. We need good students to fill our work force.
Those kids are here. We can turn them in to productive students or we can send the message that they are trash and should be gang members. Those tea party folks sent the trash message. I support the government teacher 100%. He showed self control. Nazi was mild compared to what he was thinking.
Seriously, should Mr. Govt. Teacher even be teaching if he thinks all his students should be deported? NO.
Fox News is giving its usual propaganda statement. 🙄
Here is how the scenario might work down the line. Some politician will put the squeeze on the school board to punish Bryant. They will gave and find fault with his style or lesson. Teaching is an art, after all, not a science. They will find a way to mete out some hurt. I would bet money, however, that it isn’t the end.
While I hate the overuse of the term Nazi these days, the picture in my mind, of “rouding up children” is so despicable I feel sick. First of all, for the last time, Illegal is NOT a noun. Since when did the values of this country change so that now even children are targeted. The DREAM act is common sense, that is alll there is to it. No child working to better themselves and succeed is a drain on this country, in fact, they exactly the future this country needs.
I love it when liberals trivialize the Holocaust! They literally can’t help themselves! It’s awesome!
Elena and Moon,
So I guess you both will support Rick Perry, since he supports the portions of the dream act that apply to children, in-state tuition, etc.?
As to calling someone a Nazi, or a Racist: when terms like this are thrown about with abandon, they lose their meaning quickly.
The teacher was on his own time, but had a group of students with him. I’m a big believer in free speech, but in this instance the teacher should definitely be fired or suspended for a substantial period.
I have nothing to add over what Slowpoke said. 🙂
@Rick Bentley
Rick,
You make a very good point, and I think I’d have to agree with some sort of disciplinary action. Teachers shouldn’t be interacting with students outside of an official capacity, IMHO. Termination would be a bit harsh I think, as it wasn’t a case of say, attending a student pool party or something like that. A suspension and an official warning should suffice I think.
@Steve Thomas
I think that he was lucky to be able to say just nazi. What was said to him was so outlandish I had steam coming out of my ears. He is lucky he didn’t let a few FU’s fly out of his mouth.
Does everyone think it is ok to round up kids when they are school to deport them? And we ask why he said Nazi?
Bryant did not bring the students. They were high school kids and came on their own steam. It doesn’t matter if he sent each a hand written invitation. He still has free speech.
@Rick Bentley
If you are such a believer in free speech then please justify firing a teacher who was on his own time after business hours.
Termination is really the only option for this “teacher” (and oh, brother, am I using THAT term loosely). Anyone as categorically ignorant has no business being involved in the shaping of young minds. By existing in the classroom, he infects others with his own brand of hate-filled ignorance and disrespect for the law.
@Moon-howler
I don’t think the issue is what he said on his own time. I think the issue is that he had a bunch of students with him, which kinda negates the whole “I was on my own time” defense. And I didn’t just fall off of a turnip truck. It’s clear he has an agenda and he did involve students. Whether I agree or disagree with rounding up kids is immaterial.
I would, however, oppose actions to “round up kids and deport them” from school. When a parent sends their children to school, they are giving the school certain authority to act in loco parentis. Parents (regardless of immigration status) should have an expectation that the school will protect their children’s rights, should something involving outside authorities develop. If DHS wants to deport families, then that is DHS’ purview, not the schools. Now if a student is involved in some sort of criminal activity, and is arrested like any other student would be, booked into the system, and later handed over to ICE on an immigration detainer, then this is a different scenario altogether.
@slowpoke, did you even listen to both of the videos? You are aware that it was suggested that the administration round up the students were were not documented. ? Do you really think this is appropropriate?
Additionally, that person really doesn’t understand how 287g works. Those kids cannot be arrested for being in school.
I am sorry but schools are not filters to strain out undocumented CHILDREN.
I felt those men up at that table behaved as bullies. The chairman was a little more polite but he sure took the human out of human being. The one with short arms just should have been bitch slapped by someone.
What is it exactly you would fire him for? Sorry, you all do not own teachers. He was off duty. He might not have used the best choice of words but if I had to have my own kids and grandkids around someone I would chose the teacher over that one hate-monger at the table.
On his own time. Let’s suppose a teacher likes to dress up as chicken, hook up a car battery to his nipples and insert jeweler’s saws into his perineum in his “off hours”. Want him in the classroom? The liberalism and ignorance displayed by this “teacher” is right in line with the chicken and saws-scenarios laid out here. The difference is this “teacher” is actually doing it in public!
It’s obvious they were not really discussing the subtle nuances of how the 287g works. The tea party rep is responding to the teacher’s hypothetical question (the observant person will notice the teacher begins his question with “so you would”). From that point on, we’re not talking about reality anymore. The teacher asked for it, he got it, and typical of a liberal, he responds with the only thing he really understands, ignorance and hate.
Liberalism my ass. No teacher should be asked to perform as an ICE agent and no teacher should want his or her students deported. Additionally, why would anyone commit to being a teacher who didn’t want all kids to be the best that they can be? Why would any teacher want to put an artificial ceiling on some kids’ heads.
Teachers don’t know who is legal and who isn’t. Nor do administrators. They don’t need to know. Their job is to educate students, not to do the dirty work of those who obviously have very little understanding of the law.
As for the chicken scene, that would be covered by the moral turpitude clause that is in all teacher contracts that I have ever heard of.
There is a big difference between calling some bully a nazi and doing the chicken dance.
Just out of curiosity, who pays that teacher the giant lawsuit he would win if you guys had your way?
Steve,
At the heart of the issue we agree. children, in the safety of a school, should not be targeted by the law.
@Steve Thomas
Is having a political belief an ‘agenda?’ I don’t think so. If the teacher has an agenda I would suspect it was that he wanted students to be involved in the political process. I would be willing to bet that he had no idention of calling the guy a nazi when he went there. However, after the ration of you know what he got, complete with incorrect information, he lost it. I could see what happened to him. Nazi took the place of a string of other words. Teach conservative instead of liberal isn’t what set him off. That iced it. What set him off is the bully demanding that administration round up the students.
No teacher worth his or her salt listens to that crap without reaction. Those were fighting words to a teacher.
Call it liberal or what…but most teachers defend their students and don’t want them rounded up and deported.
Elena and Steve, I would agree with that and I meant to say so.
@SlowpokeRodriguez
We really don’t know what all was said prior to this conversation. That is the reason I posted both videos. Both give information the other does not give.
287g really doesn’t give round up rights.
As to the charge of being a Nazi, I was very upset by the response to the question regarding deporting “rounding children and up and deporting them if they are illegal”. This kind of talk and behavior is very disturbing to me, in fact, it should be of concern to all people. Since when did targeting children EVER become an American ideal?
His aggressive response to this teachers question invited an emotional response, in fact, he baited the teacher. Furthermore, the idea that advocating for children is liberal should make every conservative stand up and shout “It is NOT an ideological stance to advocate for children”.
What if find truly amazing is the recent backlash against teacher who “don’t care about students” or “teachers who only want a paycheck without having to prove results of their work” and yet, here you have a teacher who cares about his students. Teachers just can’t win can they. His concern for his students is an attribute EVERY teacher should have!
pokie said:
Did the remarks of the two men who spoke not make you think of ignorance and hate?
Hmmmmmm….rounding up students which would be totally illegal sure reminds me of ignorance and hate.
Any time some one says ‘so you would…..(whatever) it assures me that there has been previous discussion of the aforementioned subject. For all we know, the town hall meeting might have been about rounding up students for deportation.
The thug like person obviously doesn’t know that teachers and administrators don’t know student status and he doesn’t know how 287g works. I think you have pinned the tail on the wrong ignorant donkeyl
Just out of curiosity, who pays that teacher the giant lawsuit he would win if you guys had your way?
Not only that. But the same bullies will be howling when the feds say “Enough! We’re not going to deal with this petty state crapola. Full steam ahead with immigration reform.”
The WaPo has an article about one woman’s attempt to avoid deportation and all the backlogs for immigration hearings. Yeah, DHS sure wants to deal with deporting students who could contribute to society. Despite some Alabama yahoo’s wish – they’re low priority.
I think a few people are quick to condemn the use of the term “Nazi’ but are not willing to acknowledge the incremental way in which those atrocities began. And where are the “free speech” zealots? What? The guy’s been labelled a liberal so he has no free speech…
Maybe the topic of discussion at the meeting was enough to draw some concerned students.
If we listen to the chairman, he would have us believe that the students should be carrying signs that say DEPORT ME or DEPORT MY FRIENDS.
That’s not going to happen. Liberals aren’t supposed to have free speech.
Probably the best way to not get called a nazi is to not sound like one. Suggesting that students be rounded up at school really does smack of old Goebbels.
But it isn’t my favorite word to throw around either.
Elena, apparently free speech is something the tea party is willing to discard if it suits their political advantage. Govt being able to rounding up children apparently also supported by the tea party, from what I could tell. Finally, decent civil manners were also discarded by guy number one. The second man was not rude in tone.
Again, the man wasn’t “demanding” that anyone round up students and deport them. He was saying that “if he could have it that way”, that’s what he would do. It is not a practical solution, and clearly an outcome nobody really believes is going to happen.
I do love the argument about “free speech”. What these liberals cannot comprehend is that free speech also carries with it personal responsibility (the garlic to liberal vampires). This “teacher” can say anything he likes……but he also has personal responsibility to be held accountable for what he says. Same goes for the tea party guy.
The only mistake the tea party guy makes is to follow the teacher into a theoretical trap. In the courtroom it’s called leading the witness. You have to be intelligent enough not to play the enemy’s game.
I’m still not sure what all the flap is about. A teacher went to a forum “on his own time”, and confronted a TEA Party Chairman. The TEA Party guy isn’t an elected official. He was stating an opinion, not more important than the opinion of any other person out there. The Teacher stated his opinion. The exchange was caught on film, and was branded “news worthy”. Because the teacher was there with some students, he may or may not have exercised bad judgement in speaking out, and he may have to face some consequences. This remains to be seen. The TEA Party guy will come off looking great to those who think and feel the way he does, badly to those who disagree, and get a “who cares?” from the undecideds/no opinions. But at heart of this, I ask the question: Why should we care what either of these guys think? Neither of them is in a position to execute their respective agendas. The TEA Party guy could no more round up kids in school, than the Teacher could prevent this if it were official policy. If Arizona, Georgia, Alabama, can’t enact their anti-illegal immigration legislation without drawing a court challenge, the TEA Party guy will be about as effective as Archie Bunker was in getting his agenda passed. This whole thing is just a tempest in a tea-cup, beyond stirring up a debate about a scenario that has little chance of coming to pass in this country.
@Steve
Now Steve, when have either of us turned down a good tempest in a tea pot? Why do I care? I care alot about the Dream Act. I believe an educated society is better than an uneducated one. If someone is advocating that we round up students, they need to hear that isn’t acceptable. When people are silent when bad things are proposed, it is up to us to stand up to them.
Actually, instead of being so negative…I’d rather try to be positive, here. It appears that this teacher is not happy with direction things are going in his community with respect to immigration issues and how they are playing out in politics. I have recently become aware of a golden opportunity for this teacher. Apparently, there are opportunities galore for teachers in beautiful Alcapulco, Mexico. There, this gentleman would NEVER hear any problems with the rounding up of illegal immigrant students, and he would likely have his choice of teaching position! Silver lining, folks, silver lining!
Steve,
Did you read my mind? Moon and I were discussing the very context of this meeting. I have been doing a bunch of surfing but can’t find much. However, having had HSM and FAIR influence legislation in PWC, I don’t doubt the power the TEA party in local politics. Lets remember, the original resolution had language that allowed for any local government employee to be sued if they did not report those who were out of status.
As a former middle school counselor in the most diverse middle school in Fairfax County, I was horrified by that possibility. I am sure some of my students and their parents did not have proper documentation, but you know how much I cared, not a bit. I loved those kids and they trusted me to help them and you know what, I did. One of the best careers I ever chose.
@Elena
Elena,
What makes this different from HSM and the PWC resolution is Plyler v. Doe. Unless/until the Supreme Court overturns this decision, no law like that which the TEA Party guy proposes could ever be enacted. Based on recent actions (or non-actions) of the SCOTUS regarding bans on in-state tuition for illegal aliens, I’d say the chances of Plyler v. Doe being overturned as near-nill. This is why I say this particular dust-up, while it makes for good TV and blog-fodder, is nothing more than a political version of WWE Wrestling: It looks like a fight, but really it’s just theater. Kinda like one of my favorite shows: Deadliest Warrior. This fascinating show pits two historical warriors, like Joan de Arc and William the Conquerer, who could have never really fought each other, in a computer simulated battle. Really just a hypothetical based on data inputs. Same thing here: TEA Party Guy v. Local Teacher, in a battle to determine the status of illegal-alien school children…WHO IS DEADLIEST! Great TV, but a meaningless fight.
@Moon-howler
and the battle will be over the status quo, or enacting the dream act. TEA Party guy’s desires are a pipe-dream.
The Dream Act would be a great thing for the United Statesof America, just as Governor Perry has stated.
I think I’d prefer the world term “pipe-nightmare”
Starry!
Moon and I were wondering where you were 😉
Every blogger knows that the first one to invoke Godwin’s Law is the loser of an argument.
Oh, and I keep forgetting…..why is deportation so horrible? Most of the illegal immigrants come from quite civilized countries. In fact, most of them come from a country with a longer history than ours, with one of the most developed university systems in the world. Let them get in-state tuition from THEIR states.
As for the “targeting of children”…..what a straw argument. The entire argument is about illegal immigration of FAMILIES. That includes children. And the sooner that they are returned to their countries of origin, the less disruption to their lives. And that disruption was caused by THEIR PARENTS breaking the law. You keep bringing up the 14th amendment when it may not apply because no one wants it CLARIFIED, not repealed. Perhaps the original meaning would keep the children of illegal immigrants from being citizens. No one knows.
I don’t think anyone has brought up the 14th amendment today. @cargo.
@Steve Thomas
You know, we say it could not be enacted. However, when people remain silent about such things, then the change of it happening becomes less remote. The Alabama Law that was just passed recently has some provision for the schools to gather such information. There is no reason for the schools to have documentation information.
The real plus side of this story, if there is one, is that students/young people are participating in government. The down side of the story, to me, is that so many people, especially on this blog, were ready to punish Bryant. The first thing to go would have been his civil rights for speaking what was on his mind. I agree that nazi was a poor choice of words but that is irrelevant.
The whole story left me depressed. I was already depressed because I sat up and watched a documentary about real Nazis.
@Moon-howler
Moon,
When you are operating in a official capacity, or quasi-official capacity, you can be held accountable for everything you say in public. Where I to start expressing my political beliefs at a client sight, and my client found them objectionable, my employer has every right to discipline me. If I were at an “after-hours” networking event, and I did the same thing, my employer could also discipline me, as I am acting in a quasi-official capacity. If I was at a trade show or some other such event, or showed up at a City council meeting wearing my company logo, this could also have the same results. At the very least, the teacher showed poor judgement IMHO, in participating in a public spectacle-ish exchange, when he knew his students were present. Freedom of speech only protects us from actions by the government when we speak out. When the government is your employer, it is a grey area that should be considered before expressing one’s views in public.
Speaking of the 14th Amendment, President Andrew Johnson vetoed the bill that eventually became the 14th Amendment. His veto message is an interesting read, particularly as many of his reservations are still being raised 145 years later. http://teachingamericanhistory.org/library/index.asp?document=1944
Congress voted a few months later to override the veto marking the first time in history that a bill became a law after being vetoed. Reading Johnson’s veto message and some newspaper articles from that period makes me think that perhaps many of us haven’t really changed all that much in a century and a half.
@Steve,
It sounds like the topic of this town hall meeting was about the Dream Act. And I do agree that Nazi was a poor choice of words, although not a punishable set of words.
Let’s flip this around and I am assuming that the town hall meeting was at least in part about the Dream Act or proposed Dream Act. Obviously this Bryant guy had waited a while to speak and he was referencing some earlier remark made by Mr. Roderiguez or the other man. Knowing there were students in the audience, is no one offended at what was said about school students being rounded up and reported by administration?
Do we want kids to be afraid to go to school? Good for Bryant for standing up for his kids, albeit awkward. I expect he was not expecting such a stream of venom from thug guy. I would have been very taken aback.
I don’t think supporting the Dream Act is liberal. I certainly don’t think that any kid is going to go there with a sign saying DEPORT ME. I can’t think of why any teacher would spend his or her life educating young people and then thinking the Dream Act was a bad idea. Those kids can’t do a thing about their situation. America is not about having no hope.
I think the tea party participants were out of line. Thug-guy for his venom, especially with those kids there and Roderiquez for chastising a teacher for teaching liberal whatever. Giving kids hope isn’t liberal. Telling kids if they work hard they can be all they want to be.
Additionally, did I misunderstand? I thought Rick Perry told us that Texas has its own form of the Dream Act and that kids can go to college if they have good grades etc? Are these people not trying to overturn the existing law? Do the kids and teacher just idly sit by and let this organization stamp out educational reform?
@Morris Davis
Someone needs to go back and teach that man how to use paragraphs. What a bunch of mumbo jumbo.
However, that read sure dispenses with the notion that the legislators didn’t know what they were doing. Johnson spelled it out in his veto.
@Moon-howler
Moon,
I am not debating the merits of what either guy was saying. What I am saying is I think the teacher exercised poor judgement in choosing to air his views in such a public forum. He could have written an op-ed for the local paper, or something else where he’d have a chance to collect his thoughts, apply the appropriate “I am a teacher, and I am not speaking for the x-county school system”, etc. Instead he acted impulsively and lacked a bit of situational awareness, and now may suffer some repercussions as a result. If this comes to pass, who do you think came out on top of that exchange? The TEA Party Guy, or the teacher who got suspended? We used to have a saying in the Corps: The obvious route is usually mined.
@Steve, actually there is no difference in speaking and writing as far as accountabillity. I agree that he used a poor choice of words. Perhaps he might have gotten his point across better if he had asked how is rounding up these children any different from what was done during WWII? he might have also reminded the thug speaker that what he was proposing to do was really not legal.
Interesting question, who do I think came out on top of the exchange? Surely not the guy who advocated rounding up kids for arrest, but that depends on who is doing the listening. Rounding up kids does not resonate well with voters. Many people who on paper oppose illegal immigration sure do support the Dream Act. Amongst student voters and teachers, Bryant won. Amongst tea party supporters I expect thug man won. Rodriquez called him a liberal, but darn it he was polite about it. People who aren’t liberals really don’t like being called liberals. Supporting the Dream Act isn’t liberal. That also was inappropriate.
I doubt if we would be having this conversation if teachers haven’t come under fire recently. There is some sort of convoluted thought process whereby people think they own teachers because they are paid from public funds. That’s what a lot of this is really about. This “I pay your salary” mentality is a driving force with many people. I find it horribly offensive.
Part of the problem is also, that Bryant’s response was unintelligible. Had he said, ‘That is nazi-like thinking,” he could have conveyed his meaning better. But he was rattled. That diatribe by thug-man was very disturbing. It would have rattled me also.
This is nonsense. There is absolutely no reason anywhere at any time for anyone in this country to call someone else a “Nazi.” That teacher ought to be sanctioned in some fashion. Just what did that remark teach those kids who were in the room? That calling someone with whom you are disagreement a “Nazi” is the o.k. thing to do because old teach did it in their defense? This guy teaches government?!!!! Whatever happened to: “Sir, I think you are very wrong on this.”?
Same scold goes for the name callers anywhere on the political spectrum.
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Jonathan Bryant needs to take a lesson from Newt Gingrich. Rather than saying Mr. Rodriguez is a Nazi he should have just analogized him to a Nazi the way Newt did with President Obama. http://voices.washingtonpost.com/political-bookworm/2010/05/jewish_group_condemns_gingrich.html That’s what separate the political novices like Mr. Bryant from the political pros like the Newt.
The man Schuyler Crist is about as offensve as one human being can get. He dared the teacher to respond to his craziness of suggesting that chidlren be “rounded up in school and turned over to the police”. How can a teacher, whose job it is to teach and care fo the well being of children, NOT respond emtionally to such a heinous suggestion.
Was Nazi a term I would have used, probably not, but then again, if they were my “kids” that someone was suggesting be treated like evil criminals, who knows how I would respond. Once again, I will ask, since when did this country EVER hold children responsible for their parents decisons!!!!!!!
There is absolutely no reason for anyone to suggest rounding up children in school and turning them over to ICE. That is a violation of the law. Secondly, he is a fool. 287g is not a round up tool. It is to identify and deal with criminal who are in the country illegally.
Why is it that none of you conservatives look at the rhetoric that brought on the ” nazi” remark and have anything to say about that? That thug man dude ought to be escorted out of the building. His tone and content were totally unacceptable.
Why should Mr. Bryant be polite to some behaving like a pig? I thought he showed restraint with nazi although I wish he had chosen a better term. However, when one pictures rounding up kids, what is the first thing most of us think of. I would have been totally blind sided by thug-man’s response as well as the admonistion from Mr. Rodriguez. He was doing a little name calling himself–he certainly called child-students criminals.
On what planet is that acceptable?
1. They should not have called children criminals.
2. They should not have suggested rounding up children at school. if the kids were undocumented.
3. Thug-man should not have used the tone of voice he used to bully the audience and Bryant.
4. Rodriquez should not have called Mr. Bryant out for what amounted to teaching liberal claptrap. Supporting the Dream Act is not a liberal notion. It is fairly conservative. It suggests utilizings our investment in human resources. High achievers are a valuable resource this country cannot afford to squash down because of someone’s ideology.
@Morris Davis
This comparison, Moe?
I guess that doesn’t count because Newt isn’t a teacher and paid by the public. Therefore no one owns him.
Teachers do not forfeit the rights citizens enjoy under the Constitution. The leading case is a Supreme Court decision (8-1 vote) in Pickering v Board of Education http://supreme.justia.com/us/391/563/case.html where a teacher was fired for writing an op-ed critical of how the school board allocated funds between athletcs and academics. Court said he had a right as a citizen to comment on matters of public concern that outweighed any government interest in suppressing such speech. Calling a TP leader who is not a public official a Nazi at a public forum is perhaps rude, but it’s not actionable.
I am seldom (if ever) in favor of someone getting fired for making the most of the right to free speech. I do not want this teacher to be fired. In private industry, people can (and often are) fired when their speech brings discredit the their place of employment.
This teacher identified himself as an employee of the school district and brought discredit on the district by calling a law-abiding tax payer a Nazi. So it would be well within the rights of the school district to fire him or sanction him in some way.
If the school district chooses not to fire him, I think that parents with students in his class should be granted certain options. By calling a Tea Party member a Nazi, he has poisoned the relationship with parents who view themselves as Tea Party Members. So if parents want to transfer their children to other classes, I think the school district should bd just as liberal in allowing for this as it was in overlooking the poisonous speech that the teacher used.
I would also say that it is unlawful to ’round’ up illegals, since their right to attend public grade school has been affirmed by the Supreme Court. As a representative of the school and an employee of the county, the teacher should have showed more respect for the citizens that pay his salary.
I am against the Dream Act. College is already very expensive and very competitive without making it more so by subsidizing the education of illegal aliens with in-state tuition. I would argue that an illegal alien cannot establish legal residence in a state given that (s)he is in the country illegally. From a fairness point of view, a legal U.S. student should not be pushed aside to allow illegal aliens to attend instead. This could be a very real issue in top state schools such as UVa or the University of North Carolina where it is increasingly difficult for in-state applicants to get accepted.
Kelly, one of those ” law abiding citizens” was advocating an illegal action. How do you know he was law-abiding?
Here we go….back to owning a teacher. In the first place, you assume that those people up there live in the school district where Bryant teaches and that both men pay taxes. For all I know, they don’t even live in the same district.
Did you hear the poisonous speech by thug-man? Is his speech less obnoxious to you because he is a tea party member? After seeing the behavior, Thug man is lucky all he was called is a NAZI considering what he was saying he would do. NAZIs were famous for having people rounded up and deported.
And finally, on the subject of college–I always felt that person with the best credentials got the vacant spot. What if the most qualified person for that slot is the child of an illegal immigrant? Would you be happier if an Asian student got the slot, only to return to his own country upon graduation?
If you are willing to exclude all non citizen students, then perhaps you have a valid point, but until then, you really don’t. Those students often take the spots of American kids. More and more are being admitted to offset rising college costs.
Any student who has met the eligiblity requirements in Virginia should get in-state tuition.
As the day closes on this post, I am really appalled at how many of our conservative contributors are against the Dream Act.
Obviously none of you have ever taught. Even more obvious is that you have never dealt with ‘others.’ You don’t differentiate between students when you teach. You want all kids to do their very best, because they are your students. You don’t give a rat’s ass about their status.
I close the day wondering if all of you have ice water running through your veins. Don’t choose teaching as a second career. It won’t work for you.
I wish Lucky Duck would drop by and weigh in on this subject, since he is now a 2nd career teacher. Lucky Duck gets it.