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Here’s an example of the conservative opposition’s infiltration of a movement and an attempt to instigate trouble. Never assume all the demonstrators are who you think they are. The biggest rabble rouser may not belong to the group at all.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/ezra-klein/post/conservative-journalist-says-he-infiltrated-escalated-dc-museum-protest/2011/10/09/gIQAIKxCYL_blog.html?hpid=z1
Just listening to Fox News today about the OWS groups. It is definitely class warfare. so far I have heard how ignorant these people are and how they probably haven’t paid much in the way of taxes during their lifetime.
Is that how we are evaluated–by how much we pay in taxes?
In many cases, it seems that these folks want the same thing as many conservatives do. Perhaps those who can’t see past the camping out look need to listen more carefully.
@Censored bybvbl
It does sound like Young Mr. O’Keefe. Nothing like stirring the pot and then blaming those who participate.
Me? I like drones. Great idea.
@Censored bybvbl
And this man should be fired. He supposed to REPORT not MAKE news.
“The biggest rabble rouser may not belong to the group at all.”
Hmmm….I think that I may have said similar things about the provocateurs at the TP rallies.
@Cargosquid
I remember the man at an Ohio Tea Party rally who threw money at a man who had Parkinsons. It was such a despicable action that I was sure someone would expose this guy’s identity immediately. I thought he could be a plant. It took a while but finally the guy fessed up and apologized. He was no infiltrator just an asshole.
http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-503544_162-20001186-503544.html
In crowds as large as those at TP and OWS rallies the participants had best expect jerks who try to discredit the movement (as well as undercover police and other law enforcement). That’s why these people need to be called out.
@Cargosquid
Those trying to push through and mob the Air and Space Museum also should have been arrested. What they were trying to do was illegal. They were also being pains in the tail to the security guards. It appeared to be a very threatening situation. I expect that killing at the Holocaust Museum is still fresh on everyone’s mind too.
@Censored bybvbl
Absolutely. Additionally, crowds that size are inherently dangerous. You never know when some jerk is going to do something from either side or both to set off chain reactions.
Kent State rings a bell here.
I saw the video in Atlanta and then another one like it in New York — all that stuff about everybody repeating everything that is said. When John Lewis realized he had been voted to last place in the speaking order after all the rest of the crowd’s agenda, the look on his face was priceless. I can imagine the thought in his head as he walked away: “What the Hell am I doing here with these nutcakes?”
@Wolverine
That video scared me. To see masses of people repeating words they probably didn’t know what they meant in the congregate. And the handwaving… Brings back memories of many unsavory speeches from the past. Wouldn’t want to be part of it and I don’t know what will come of it.
Of course a lot of people are unhappy in many ways and reading abt the ungodly pay the bigshots are getting whether the company is losing or making money. It infuriates me too.
@Moon-howler
Absolutely.
http://www.businessinsider.com/wall-street-protester-getting-paid-to-protest-2011-10
Heck, if Occupy Richmond is hiring, I’d take this gig at $22 per hour.
Lying is OK if it serves a higher cause……
especially as defined by the lying party.
http://www.gaypatriot.net/2011/10/08/apparently-lying-is-now-ok-if-it-serves-a-higher-truth/
He was there. When we deal with a president or any other celebrity, how long do you think the greeting lasts? A handshake? Thats about as good as a meeting gets. 3 pink slips are three pink slips.
That smear is so petty. The president of the United States has how many constituents? 300 million? That’s close enough and the point he was making is an excellent one.
If you are recalled after a pink slip you are lucky. But you could just as easily not have been recalled. Ever gotten one? A couple of my teacher friends have. Don’t diminish it. It is faultless firing at best.
The Occupy protests: A timely call for justice
By Eugene Robinson, Published: October 10
Occupy Wall Street and its kindred protests around the country are inept, incoherent and hopelessly quixotic. God, I love ’em.
I love every little thing about these gloriously amateurish sit-ins. I love that they are spontaneous, leaderless and open-ended. I love that the protesters refuse to issue specific demands beyond a forceful call for economic justice. I also love that in Chicago — uniquely, thus far — demonstrators have ignored the rule about vagueness and are being ultra-specific about their goals. I love that there are no rules, just tendencies.
I love that when Occupy Wall Street was denied permission to use bullhorns, demonstrators came up with an alternative straight out of Monty Python, or maybe “The Flintstones”: Have everyone within earshot repeat a speaker’s words, verbatim and in unison, so the whole crowd can hear. It works — and sounds tremendously silly. Protest movements that grow into something important tend to have a sense of humor.
I can’t help but love that House Majority Leader Eric Cantor called the protests “growing mobs” and complained about fellow travelers who “have actually condoned the pitting of Americans against Americans.” This would be the same Eric Cantor who praised the Tea Party movement in its raucous, confrontational, foaming-at-the-mouth infancy as “an organic movement” that was “about the people.” The man’s hypocrisy belongs in the Smithsonian.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/occupy-wall-street-a-timely-call-for-justice/2011/10/10/gIQASKleaL_story.html?hpid=z2
yeah
Ah, the TP pits citizens against the government not citizens against citizens based on job description and wealth as does the OWS crowd. Two different reasons for assembly. The first guaranteed by the Constitution, the other not the document’s intent.
@Starry, Eugene Robinson was right on pointing out out the hypocrisy of Eric Cantor. It appears that the OWS is about the people also, regardless of what one feels about them.
Eric Cantor is an obstructionist in every sense of the word and he shames Virginia. He promises us that the president’s jobs bill is dead in the water the minute it hits the House. Perhaps he should tell the people without jobs that. After all, according to some, it is probably their fault anyway. It seems to me that people need to decide if it is the fault of the jobless or the fault of Obama. Can’t spread around the blame but so much.
That is a mighty important AND there, SA
Right to assemble is not only directed at government ergo the entire rise of unions to protect sweat factory workers, coal minors, verizon worker, etc etc etc!
Second Alamo, freedom of assembly is guaranteed in the United States Constitution. You must learn to respect our country’s Constitution.
Eric Cantor is a disgrace to Virginia. He is an arrogant tool of the power elites and stabs his constituents in the back.
@Moon-howler
“He promises us that the president’s jobs bill is dead in the water the minute it hits the House.”
Uh…no.
He promised to compromise, just like everyone wants politicians to do. He promised votes and discussions, and deal making on the parts that could be passed immediately. It was the DEMOCRATS in the SENATE that refuse to take up the bill. THEY refused to hold an up or down vote, which is what the President is demanding. And now Reid is playing political games so that he doesn’t have to corral his fellow Democrats in voting for this tax increasing stimulus bill.
@Starryflights
In the TP version of the Constitution there are footnotes to the First Amendment that add caveats (revealed only to noted historians S. Palin and M. Bachmann and chronicled in chapter 2 of their book of (revised) American fictional history) to (1) freedom of speech (does not apply to school teachers who mouth off at TP leaders), (2) freedom of religion (does not apply if it involves a mosque), and freedom of assembly (does not apply to anyone with the audacity to question #1 and #2).
@Cargosquid
Please prove that Eric Cantor did not say that the jobs bill will be dead in the water when it hits the house.
I must be having auditory hallucinations.
Wall Street JOurnal:
Asked if the president’s jobs bill as a whole is dead, Mr. Cantor replied, “Yes.”
Weasel words aren’t going to work, Cargo. I stand by my statement.
Yes but he said …blah blah blah isn’t going to work. That is what he said.
Funniest thing. The JObs bill just got rejected in the senate. All Republicans plud 2 democrats.
Obstructionists! Let’s see how they are going to blame Obama for this one.
It’s gonna kill ya because they won’t have to blame Obama…..everybody already knows he’s to blame for our current economic situation.
Sounds like killing the bill had bipartisan support..?
Don’t you folks get it? We voted for them to obstruct Obama! They’re doing exactly what we needed them to do. Better to break it apart and pass the good stuff and leave the garbage in the White House where it belongs.
As a whole, yes, he said that.
THEN, he said that the House is willing to compromise and work with him.
Where’s your criticism of Reid who refused to vote on the bill as an up or down vote without changes to the bill?
So, Cantor, who is willing to work with the President is being criticized and Reid, who refused to even put the bill to a vote is ignored.
Yep. No selective outrage here.
I see, belatedly that the stimulus bill, aka the jobs bill, aka the new tax bill, did get a vote. I see no details, because the last info I had was that the bill was attached to another unrelated bill.
http://thehill.com/homenews/house/186759-dem-leader-hoyer-voters-to-blame-for-dysfunctional-congress
“If elections have consequences — which I think they do — some of those consequences are getting what you vote for,” Hoyer added. “In this case, many people voted for people who thought compromise was not something that they ought to participate in.”
It’s not Congress’ fault. It’s not the Presidents. It’s YOUR fault for voting in the wrong team.
@marinm
Ohhh, I don’t know, man…..Hoyer’s kind of got a point, there! They say people get the government they deserve! That being said, I fully support Hoyer blaming the voters. That should be the new Democratic motto: It’s YOUR fault!
@Slowpoke Rodriguez
Yawn….horsecrap oh ye of little memory.
@marinm
bwaaaaaahhahahahahaha yup. 2 of ’em.
@Cargo
So if I was right, why did you feel the need to correct me. Actually, Cantor didn’t state an objection to any specific part. He said the bill was dead. Forget any equivocation. He is an obstructionist.
And you known damn well that Reid has numbers issues and that the rules work differently over there. Its the same obstructionism at work, just going about it a different way.
In other words, political theater and obstructionsim is far more important than getting people back to work, roads and bridges repaired and protecting public safety jobs.
The Repugs prefer high unemployment if it means winning the 2012 elections. They are shameless, immature and irresponsible.
Plot to kill ambassador unraveled on SW border
WASHINGTON (AP) — The unraveling of an alleged plot to assassinate the Saudi ambassador to the United States came from a surprising place — the front lines of the drug war along the Mexican border.
And like a Hollywood thriller, the murder-for-hire tale cuts back and forth across international lines. “This case illustrates we live in a world where borders and boundaries are increasingly irrelevant,” said FBI Director Robert Mueller.
According to a criminal complaint filed in federal court in New York, the plot was revealed by an informant inside the world of the Mexican drug trade, a man paid by U.S. drug agents to rat out traffickers.
The complaint describes the informant as someone who was previously charged for violating drug laws in the United States but got the charges dismissed by agreeing to cooperate with U.S. drug investigations. U.S. officials trusted the informant because he had proved reliable in the past and led to several drug seizures — and the informant was paid for those tips.
http://news.yahoo.com/plot-kill-ambassador-unraveled-sw-border-074403378.html
The Obama Administraion hand the Holder Dept of Justice have done an outstanding job of keeping our nation safe from terrorists. Obama took out bin laden and other high value terrorists and now has disrupted a terrorist plot involving Iran. He is also ending our misguided wars in Iraq and Afghanistan. This, my friends, is how one should go about prosecuting the war on terror!
@Moon-howler
I felt the need to correct you because you are wrong. Cantor agreed to work with passing parts of the bill. I watched him say that on television.
And until this last minute thing….Reid wasn’t bringing up the bill. Then he did some procedural tricks that undercut minority power. If the bill wasn’t passed in the Senate, that’s the DEMOCRATS’ fault as they have the majority.
Cargo, Are you denying that Eric Holder said that the bill was DOA?
I don’t care how he equivocated afterwards.
national journal.
That’s quite an ego you are riding into town there, cowboy.
M-H, the market has been positive the last few days, but I’m still
worried about getting a bad case of Greek contagion – wish,
like with the flu, there was a shot. Plus, apparently the
Slovakia parliament now has a key vote slowing “GC” but
they may not just for the hell of it. Republican Slovaks?
I am very nervous over the whole thing, Big Dog. I did buy some more Silver Wheaton. I sold my old stuff at 40 and then rebought some at 31. Keep your fingers crossed for me.
Apple has made quite a come back but we expected that, didn’t we?
http://www.roanoke.com/editorials/wb/29950
“Penmanship before citizenship” — Virginia GOP.
DB-Please, get my contact info from Moon. We need to talk street lights. I have some good news. 🙂
http://www.roanoke.com/editorials/wb/299560
Underwear bomber pleads guilty in federal court and faces a life sentence. If only Obama had listened to the right-wing critics and sent him to Gitmo to face a military commission.
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2011/10/12/national/main20119175.shtml
Cargo,
Here is the reality, the republicans have shown NO interest in working with the President, if he succeeds they fail in replacing him, mcconnell said it best….”one term president”.
It has been my way or the highway since they gained control. Its embarrassing.