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A truly conservative President? Probably Coolidge.
But….Reagan was conservative in many ways…primarily in the attitude that the government gets in the way many times….that the government is the problem. Did he grow government? Yes. But, he was the closet in recent years.
Unfortunately, the very fact that they enter government seeking to change or “help” is a strike against them. Politicians always have to be seen “doing something, anything” to affect the crisis du jour.
So we are now seeking a candidate that will stem the growth of government.
@Moon-howler
McCain isn't in there now because he has no charisma, he belittled his base, he has a record of voting with Democrats against conservative values, he refused to attack Obama's faults, he unilaterally stopped campaigning, he believed the press when they said that he was a favorite, and he didn't pick Palin early enough to make a difference. And the country was in no mood to pick an "evil" Republican after 8 years of Bush.
Believe all you want that moderates won't vote for conservatives, but the 2010 elections say otherwise. Republicans won't win with just "moderates" voting for them.
Does this guy get points for ingenuity?
http://www.ksl.com/?nid=148&sid=17931282&title=man-fakes-illegal-status-to-avoid-prison-police-say
http://www.loudountimes.com/index.php/news/opinions/
“Guest Opinion: My first vote is for something important”.
Three cheers for Samuel Moore-Sobel and every young person like him.
The Republic may yet survive.
FotoWeek DC is here again with a variety of lectures, exhibits, portfolio reviews,and workshops at a variety of spaces in and around DC. Some huge images are projected at night onto buildings around town. There is plenty of variety for any photography fan.
http://www.fotoweekdc.org/index.php?option=com_eventlist&view=categoryevents&id=2&Itemid=237
@Cargosquid
Belleve all you want that the moderates made no difference. They made a huge difference.
I am willing to bet I know a lot more moderates than you do. (although you might call them liberals) I know liberals also. These people aren’t liberals.
If you continue to diss the moderates and the people you could pull in, you will never win elections.
Keep your Palin fantasy. She was Kryptonyte to moderates. Do the math. Tell me how an extreme branch of any political party is going to win a general election without the help of the party moderates and the independent moderates. It can’t be done. You are ignoring something very real and I am not sure why. Stubborness?
I didn’t say that moderates make no difference. I said that Republicans cannot win with JUST moderates voting for him. Moderates won’t act as ground troops in getting out the vote. The don’t donate in the same numbers as the base. Unless you have the base…you lose. The goal is to attract and keep the base while attracting moderates. Palin may have turned moderates off. Palin wasn’t enough to get him elected. He had turned off too many conservatives that refused to vote for him.
The effect was probably, roughly, equal. His negatives killed where Palin attracted, and vice versa. I’m stating that McCain would not have won without the conservative vote, no matter who he picked. Palin was an attempt to gain that vote.
Of course, you think Palin is extreme. That’s why you won’t vote for her. But you don’t think Obama is extreme. I do. Extreme is relative. I’m not ignoring the effects of attracting moderate votes. I’m saying that moderates can and will vote for conservatives. As was proven in the the 2010 election where conservatives swept the field.
Herman Cain’s money statement: “I am the Koch brothers’ brother from another mother.”
I can easily see how one could connection the words “Koch brothers” and “mother” in the same sentence, but aren’t Cain’s other words superfluous?
http://www.politico.com/news/stories/1111/67643.html
@Cargosquid
I said MADE not make. I meant in a specific election.
We have talked about Obama. I have told you that Obama was not my first choice. I don’t think he or McCain are extreme. Palin is extreme.
You are right. Candidates do need a base. WHAT base seems to be the question. If the base is too extreme to attract the moderates, then you need a different candidate. I think that is what I am trying to say.
It’s not easy to do and I don’t believe we really get genuine candidates from the process. On the other hand, we don’t anyway. Too much corporate and personal interest money involved. The amoun t it takes to get elected president is obscene beyond belief.
Cargo, I think if you had McCain out there with Tom Ridge as VP you would be saying O-who?
Seriously. Tom Ridge is a moderate who is respected by many people. You just aren’t going to be able to run a John Birch Society candidate and have him or her win.
Coolidge – Yes, I should have figured it out. Another President that benefited from a bubble in the economy, and handed the country over to the next President with the smell and winds of a Recession, that eventually, in a short time, became the Great Depression.
Mr. Northampton, MA.
Strange man.
My father in law was an usher in his funeral in Northampton.
@Pat.Herve
“with the smell and winds of a Recession,”
Really…so the actual recession that he had,1923-24, which was short because he let the market recover without meddling ….doesn’t matter. So…now HE’s the reason for the Depression…not Hoover’s mismanagement and FDR’s mismanagement…..not the bank crash or the increase in tariffs….
Ok then.
@Cargosquid
Ahem, you are putting words in Pat’s mouth.
Calling Hoover and FDR’s recovery attempts “mismanagement” is a rather strong opinion.
Can you imagine what the real Depression would have been like for many Americans if it weren’t for many of the work programs around the country. They often meant the difference between eating and starvation.
Sometimes we have to look at people rather than some textbook economic theory.
I did look at the people. My mother was one of them. She’s the one that first told me how the policies by FDR dragged out the depression. He had no faith in private enterprise. She supported her family in her teens during that time. That’s where “Its a nice job, if you can get it.” came from because, unless you had connections, you weren’t getting a good job. He continually portrayed business and banks as the enemy. Sound familiar?
Hoover’s and FDR’s policies dragged out the depression. It didn’t end until the war.
And its somewhat being repeated today. Heck, some politicians are talking about tariffs again. Smoot-Hawley anyone?
From what you have told me, she would have been mighty young to have formed economic opinions. My parents often parroted that which they heard from their elders. My father worked for a while in a bowling alley making 10 cents an hour setting up pins. He always told me he was glad to have the work. He was more fortunate than many people and he felt he was more fortunate, even though his famiy had a rough time. My mother’s family had it easier.
FDRs policies saved many people. I am sorry and no disrespect to your mother but one person’s opinion really can’t go up against an entire country who looked to FDR as the leader. Much of what he did was to reassure people and give them hope. I was very fortunate to have landed at Big Meadows on the Skyline Drive about 10-15 years ago when the CCC boys who were then old men had a reunion. I kept my mouth shut and listened a lot. Many of those boys learned to read and write while doing CCC work. They got to keep a little of their money and the rest got sent home to their parents to keep body and soul together.
Most of us have never known dispair like some of those people. I am not fan of Johnson’s great society but I certainly have respect for the New Deal. Great Depressions aren’t overcome in an election cycle. I have never seen evidence that anything would have fixed the economy any earlier than it was fixed.
@Cargo, and another thing….(you are making me feel like a drunk because they always say, and another thing….) you aren’t looking at people. You didn’t know your mother during the Depression. If I talked to my mother she would have told me the Depression was no big deal. If I talked to my father, I would have a totally different perspective.
When I suggested looking at people I didn’t mean like your parents or my parents. I meant groups of people. For instance, you might want to check with George Harris about those living in Oklahoma. What are his memories? He lived through those times as a kid. How about those living in Appalachia. Did they fair better or worse than those living in the Northeast corridor? How about those dependent on shipping? Farming? Those directly involved in the Dust Bowl?
To watch Surviving the Dust Bowl….http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/americanexperience/films/dustbowl/
Civilian Conservation Corps http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/americanexperience/films/ccc/
More proof for the ratings agency that the Congress of the US is dysfunctional – http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/45172737/ns/politics-the_new_york_times/#.TrUdFXLFkTA – The automatic cuts were put into the debt ceiling raise in order to force bipartisanship. Looks like that is not going to happen. Way too much grandstanding by our Congress, while real problems are going un addressed.
The reality is here – http://www.fiscalcommission.gov/sites/fiscalcommission.gov/files/documents/TheMomentofTruth12_1_2010.pdf – Obama has tried to have conversations, and he has been rebuffed. He appointed the Deficit Reduction Commission, blessed the Gang of 6, signed the Debt Ceiling raise that created the Deficit Reduction Committee – tried to get a Grand deal with Boener. This must be done in a bi-partisan way – the I think Obama has gone about and beyond to indicate that he is serious. Just like you cannot balance the budget off the backs of millionaires, you also cannot balance it off the backs of the 99%. But keep kicking that can down the road, that is what we have been doing for 25 years or so (Clinton did make a dent, but that dent is now a blip).
I always thought that Clinton tried to make a dent because he was truly middle class. In fact, his mother struggled as a single mother. Clinton understood the middle class.
Andy Rooney has died at age 92. His last show on 60 minutes was October 12. Talk about working up until the end. He will be missed. Rooney took ordinary things and made them somehow the focus of interest and far more interesting than we ever thought.
http://swampland.time.com/2011/11/04/maybe-cain-should-be-thanking-politico/
The Hermanator defies the known laws of political gravity?
So should we assume his supporters are rewarding him for sexual harrassment?
Bizarre.
@Moon-howler
You should assume his supporters are rewarding him for being the target of a political attack media report. Remember, that report had no specifics and others refuse to detail what happened. Innocent until proven guilty.
@Cargosquid
Or you could assume his supporters are a bunch of good old boys who don’t believe there’s anything wrong with a simple “you’re lookin’ good today, darling…come on up to my room and I’ll show you the next project we’ll be working on”.
Again, are you saying that he did that? Because there is no evidence. Of course, evidence doesn’t matter…..if you’re a Democrat politician. Sexual harassment and worse seems to be a tradition on the left. the Kennedys, Dodd, Clinton, Edwards. Weiner, Spitzer.
Or you can give someone you disagree with the benefit of the doubt until the evidence actually comes in.
http://ideas.time.com/2011/10/31/enough-is-enough/
OK, some folks don’t like “obamacare”, but then what is the solution for many
Americans, even with jobs, unable to obtain and/or afford decent healthcare?
Be like part of the audience at a Republican Presidential debate and applaud
the suggestion of letting fellow citizens suffer and die in the streets?
I’m upset about this and don’t want the kool-aid offered by the extremes
and their BS poltical games. We – WE – need to find the best solution
possible PDQ. Lives depend on it.
“Enough is enough. Politicians lie and people die.”
Big Dog, I totally agree with you. What is a person to do. The cheering for dying in the streets was horrible. It hurt the Republican party, as it should have.
And it is all a game to see who can be the biggest extremist. The extremists will not win.
http://moveyourmoneyproject.org/
There’s only one way to get rid of too big to fail, and that’s to deny the vampires blood (i.e. your money).
@Moon-howler
On “CBS this morning they showed Rooney at the end of WWII, where he was a reporter. His comments about what the US and Canada did to actually change the western world
are worth reading.
Excellent pictures of D-Day also included.
@punchak, I am sorry I missed it.