Its cotton quilt weather. Quilts are a great study in geometry. Patterns, congruency, symmetry, similarity…
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Happy Free Market Day!
I believe that if a person lives her life correctly, she won’t need to go near a store the day after Thanksgiving.
I am going to explore Old Town Manassas and do my part to shop local for Small Business Saturday.
I’ve been online all day in my pj’s, making photo books and ordering gifts. Sweet.
What’s Amazon Premium? I haven’t heard of that.
I lied. its Amazon Prime.
http://www.amazon.com/gp/help/customer/display.html?ie=UTF8&nodeId=13819211
Funny that people now want to change their minds. Is this one of those beware of unintended consquences kinda things?
That’s exactly what they are saying. One of the guys was a manager of a CVS…he supported the law until he saw what happened to his business. Customers dwindled to a trickle and many employees left…mixed status families fled so legal employees had to leave their jobs. I hadn’t heard of Amazon Prime either! I’ll check it out…I don’t know what it is.
I just joined Amazon prime. It came highly recommended. I havent discovered why yet. Let me know what you think.
@twinad
I want to know who Cargo’s bird thing worked out. I don’t remember the word he used for what he wanted to do with the turkey. But Mrs. cargo might not have liked him doing that.
I think I will do quite a bit of online shopping this year. I will check it out, thanks for the tip!
@TWINAD
Let me know how it works out. I think the streaming goes on your tv with the roku box. They have it at Amazon and qvc has it on special Sunday or Monday. $79 maybe.
I always shop the free shipping stuff. That’s what ends up adding up. That is why I got the Amazon prime at first. Then I heard about the streaming movies. You need nothing if you watch on your computer.
Why is the FBI involved in this? why in the heck have we given the gov’t this much power?
Seven men are under arrest for assaulting and shaving various Amish men and cutting the hair of Amish women. The suspects are Amish.
If convicted, the suspects face up to life in prison, the government said.
Think about that….LIFE in prison….for assault and battery. Because they are being accused of, not a state crime of assault and battery, but a FEDERAL hate crime.
That’s why the FBI is involved. What? We’ve captured all of the freaking terrorists? All the serial killers?
The FBI has to track down serial shavers? And how is this a “hate” crime when both sides are AMISH? AMISH! Assault? WTF? They’ve gotten some hidden depths.
http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/nationnow/2011/11/fbi-arrests-7-amish-men-on-hate-crime-charges-.html
Want to know why we don’t go back to the gold standard?
We have 8133.5 tonnes of gold. That is $442,948,815,834.00 at current prices.
442+ billion dollars.
Yep…..that will cover HALF of the last stimulus or HALF of ObamaCare.
The price of gold would have to be astronomical for us to back our dollars with gold. Or our dollars would have to be worthless.
If you can’t make money on the above mentioned gold…you can always start your own green energy company and make 29% on the dollar:
http://wattsupwiththat.com/2011/11/18/make-29-on-your-money-guaranteed/#more-51396
@Cargosquid
What if the victims had been Hassidic or Orthodox jews? Where do we draw the line? Doesn’t the law say that targettting religions can constitute a hate crime?
It doesn’t bother me at all that the FBI is involved.
Maybe I have just watched too many X-files. Is this where I start shrieking Rule ofLaw! Rule of Law!!
Why is any crime such as this worse if its a “hate crime” than if these guys were robbed and beaten for money? These men should be held in jail for life for these offenses vs a robbery suspect that finishes his sentence in
Furthermore…if a Hassidic Jew attacks and shaves another Hassidic Jew…its a hate crime?
A crime is a crime is a crime. A murder is not worse because the killer hated the victim. A beating is not worse because the mugger just wants money…its just business.
In Virginia:
An assault is the apprehension of a harmful or offensive contact. Thus, even if you did not actually make contact with the individual, if you intended to make contact, you could be found guilty of assault. A battery is the actual harmful or offensive contact. Virginia Code §18.2-57 adds additional criteria to the definition of simple assault and battery which enhances the penalty by creating mandatory jail time for certain behavior. For instance if the accused “. . . intentionally selects the person against whom a simple assault is committed because of his race, religious conviction, color or national origin, the penalty upon conviction shall include a term of confinement of at least six months, 30 days of which shall be a mandatory minimum term of confinement.”
The crime is the actual crime…NOT the thought crime. Not the motivation. One can be motivated with hate….can hate…..and yet…THAT is not a crime.
Its wrong…but not a crime. Hate crime…is an attempt to create thought crime.
I don’t care why someone is attacking me. I just want them stopped.
But, even more importantly…why is the federal gov’t involved in a local crime?
@Cargo because it was a hate crime. Shaving someone isn’t necessarily even a crime. Shaving someone against their will, knowing it is against religious practices…yea…getting there. Anyone can commit a hate crime. I don’t think it matters that both are Amish or if both her Hassidic Jews. Obviously there was hate against the group.
Hate crimes are in a sense far more evil that just going after money. Money is random. In a hate crime, it is personal. I am shaving off your beard because I know that in doing so I have offended your religion. If you just pull some dude aside because he has a beard and shave it off, it is random beard shaving. It isn’t personal. It has nothing to do with anyone;s religion.
The beard shaving could be the same as snatching off someone’s glasses and jumping up and down on them if it was a random A & B.
These men should be held in jail for life for these offenses vs a robbery suspect that finishes his sentence in
Oops…didn’t finish..
Should read: in 30 years for felony robbery. A long time, but not life.
I agree with you about life. But that is not necessarily what their sentence will be. Don’t you think the circumstances will influence sentencing? @Cargo
It sounds like Manassas merchants brought in an extra $800,000 in revenue during the sequicentennial last July. Way to go Manassas! You gambled and you won.
Does anyone know how the county fared?
I don’t agree with hate crimes in general. We’re either equal or we’re not.
Amazon Prime is the shiz. 🙂
Cargo, would it not be great if we could go back to coffee being 0.05? I look forward to 0.10 for a cheeseburger at McD’s.
You know the fund set aside for ObamaCare? 1 Trillion? Congress has raided it for the third time in less than a year. I love it!!
@marinm
coffee….cheeseburgers? Huh?
I mean…Yes….but…what am I missing?
@SlowpokeRodriguez
What fund for ObamaCare? We’re trillions in debt. We have NO money.
Oh…the button in the Treasury and the Fed’l Reserve that says, “Push here for more money.”
@Cargosquid
Sorry, was saying if we went away from fiat to gold standard that the dollar and everything would have to be recalculated. A cup of joe would be $0.05. A good earning middle class worker might make 10K..
Would be interesting to see how people would adjust.
We may not have a choice if the printing presses keep squeezing out fake money.
SWAT team’s shooting of Marine causes outrage
By AMANDA LEE MYERS | AP – 18 hrs ago
TUCSON, Ariz. (AP) — Jose Guerena Ortiz was sleeping after an exhausting 12-hour night shift at a copper mine. His wife, Vanessa, had begun breakfast. Their 4-year-old son, Joel, asked to watch cartoons.
An ordinary morning was unfolding in the middle-class Tucson neighborhood — until an armored vehicle pulled into the family’s driveway and men wearing heavy body armor and helmets climbed out, weapons ready.
They were a sheriff’s department SWAT team who had come to execute a search warrant. But Vanessa Guerena insisted she had no idea, when she heard a “boom” and saw a dark-suited man pass by a window, that it was police outside her home. She shook her husband awake and told him someone was firing a gun outside.
A U.S. Marine veteran of the Iraq war, he was only trying to defend his family, she said, when he grabbed his own gun — an AR-15 assault rifle.
http://news.yahoo.com/swat-teams-shooting-marine-causes-outrage-184928360.html;_ylt=Aoxv2s00zWegYOBDaeUOngWs0NUE;_ylu=X3oDMTNqY2czNXByBGNjb2RlA2N0LmMEcGtnAzhkM2QyNmUwLTVjNGUtMzcxOC04MGQwLTZiMDY3ZjA3NGU1MwRwb3MDMQRzZWMDbW9zdF9wb3B1bGFyBHZlcgNkMTY4MTBmMC0xOTI4LTExZTEtYjdiNi0yOGRkM2YzMDY2MTM-;_ylg=X3oDMTFvdnRqYzJoBGludGwDdXMEbGFuZwNlbi11cwRwc3RhaWQDBHBzdGNhdANob21lBHB0A3NlY3Rpb25zBHRlc3QD;_ylv=3
We got jack-booted cops shooting Marine veterans in Tuscon, arresting businessmen in Alabama for not having papers, and spraying citizens exercising their constitutional rights with dangerous substances. Our country is becoming a militarized police state. I fear my government and our nation’s future.
M-H,
Market looking good this morning!
If it keeps growing this much each day though Friday, the Old Dog
might make it back to where he was on Nov. 1st.
Time to do a break(ing even)dance?
@Starryflights
OMG.
Starry is on the same side as the gun bloggers.
Well, at least about the incompetent Tuscon SWAT team that was let off after a sham investigation.
Just when you least expect it – a story about the Dream Act and illegal immigration in today’s Washington Post that has BALANCE and ABSENCE OF BIAS in it.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/local/legal-immigrants-join-fight-against-dream-act/2011/11/22/gIQA9xti2N_story.html?hpid=z4
Barney Frank announces upcoming retirement.
DOW surges.
’nuff said.
Remember TARP?
Wasn’t so bad….according to some.
This is why TARP isn’t so bad….because there was worse done without strings and in secret:
http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2011-11-28/secret-fed-loans-undisclosed-to-congress-gave-banks-13-billion-in-income.html
Excerpt:
$7.77 Trillion
The amount of money the central bank parceled out was surprising even to Gary H. Stern, president of the Federal Reserve Bank of Minneapolis from 1985 to 2009, who says he “wasn’t aware of the magnitude.” It dwarfed the Treasury Department’s better-known $700 billion Troubled Asset Relief Program, or TARP. Add up guarantees and lending limits, and the Fed had committed $7.77 trillion as of March 2009 to rescuing the financial system, more than half the value of everything produced in the U.S. that year.
“TARP at least had some strings attached,” says Brad Miller, a North Carolina Democrat on the House Financial Services Committee, referring to the program’s executive-pay ceiling. “With the Fed programs, there was nothing.”
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7 + TRILLION dollars of our tax money, without Congressional oversight.
Yep. That makes me feel all warm and fuzzy. And don’t get me wrong…I’m NOT blaming ONLY Obama. Bush is right up there too.
Unless, of course, THEY don’t know about it either. If that’s the case, we now know who really runs America.
Oh…and where did that money come from since we were borrowing money from China at that time? Did we print it? How is all this money valued if its just printed and lent? How does this work?
Cato?
@Cargosquid
Actually, it’s far worse then that. Some questions you just shouldn’t ask because the answer will make you sick.
Cato….I’m already sick. And if one is sick, then the patient needs the full story.
Watcha got?
About two weeks ago, the Richmond Tea Party billed the city for the money it was charged for using a downtown plaza…about 10 grand.
They did this because the city of Richmond did NOT force the Occupy movement to pay for services, seek permits…anything. The Mayor expressed sympathy with the movement.
And now the city of Richmond is taking revenge: http://www.rightsidenews.com/2011112715032/us/politics-and-economics/richmond-city-audits-local-tea-party-after-standoff-with-mayor.html
Notice that the “taxes owed” are on money that was never charged. There is no tax owed because the group doesn’t charge people, feed people, etc.
I hope the TP takes them to court and also files charges against the appropriate officers of the city for fraud and political intimidation.
@Cargosquid
Google “fractional reserve banking.” The Fed just determines the fraction, privately owned banks actually conjure money from nothingness.
Since the banks apparently double, triple etc count this money…and they seem to have lent to people who won’t pay it back…ie..gov’ts….. we are sooooooo screwed.
I had an idea that it was something like this.
Well, someone is going to default and start that snowball down the hill.
And after looking at the gold market…I think that they do this with gold trades too…..more trades than existing gold.
Physical is king.
Of course, worthless cash is still worthless.
Actually most use 10x or more leverage, we only wish they triple-counted.
@Starryflights
Hey, guess what happens to the Pope if he answers the SWAT team door holding an AR-15?
Guess what happens to Dick Cheney if he answers the SWAT team door holding an AR-15?
Guess what happens to ANYBODY who answers the SWAT team door holding an AR-15?
At least they got the right house! Is it right, what happened here? No. If you’re keeping some sort of secret about how they should serve warrants, I’m sure everyone is all ears, as they say.
The next time the swat team comes to the Howler Home, I will remember to leave my AR-15 under the bed!!!!!
@pokie
@Cato the Elder
Yeeeaahh…that’s where that “etc” comes into play…..
@SlowpokeRodriguez
He didn’t answer the door holding an AR15.
They busted in the door while they were sleeping.
They did NOT announce loudly that they were police.
The homeowners were unaware that they were police.
The SWAT team fire 71 rounds, some blindly. He was hit 22 times.
The video makes them look clumsier than the Keystone Kops.
The man was NOT involved in crimes.
The man has never been connected to crimes.
And he had the presence of mind to not take the rifle off of SAFE until he was sure of his target. And therefore…died…with the rifle on SAFE. The SWAT fired BLINDLY into the house.
They refused to allow medics into the house for over an hour.
These militaristic no-knock raids are wrong. Knock on the freaking door. There are too many criminal gangs that break into homes announcing that they are cops.
Too many innocent people and their dogs are being shot.
http://gunnyg.wordpress.com/2011/11/27/swat-teams-shooting-of-marine-causes-outrage-jose-guerena-ortiz/
Here’s an analysis:
http://confederateyankee.mu.nu/archives/316833.php
So, this time, Slow….Starry is right.
And if someone kicks in my door, I WILL be holding a gun when they make it into the living room. And I will shoot at them.
Here’s another look at it.
http://www.wallsofthecity.net/2011/06/the-killing-of-jose-guerena.html
Weird that Starry is bringing it up now…it’s relatively old news.
@Cargosquid
Think about the implications of that for a moment. Here you have the likes of Bank of America and Citigroup quite literally coining money by creating credit. I don’t think most people stop to think about what that means.
“The Congress shall have Power……To coin Money, regulate the Value thereof, and of foreign Coin, and fix the Standard of Weights and Measures”
Oh I have…..but I learned long ago that if I can’t do anything to stop it….then I might as well not worry about it.
But I see what you mean regards to Constitutional authority. But then, everyone knows that Federal Reserve Notes are NOT money. It just plays it on TV.
So, what’s the solution? I don’t have the knowledge base to figure it out.
….and if it’s a SWAT team, and they’re serving a warrant, EVEN IF you’re innocent, or EVEN IF they have the entire wrong address! (that has happened!), guess what is going to happen to you. I never said that it’s right, but I DO know what happens when they bust the door down and you are holding an AR15. And no, he didn’t answer the door while holding an AR15….you really didn’t need to point that out. Why did I bring it up? Well, this sort of thing happens too often, and like I said, sometimes they have the WRONG damn address! But I don’t think it bears any relation to what happens with Alabama’s laws or a bunch of folks sitting on their behinds getting a pepper spray bath.
“But I don’t think it bears any relation to what happens with Alabama’s laws or a bunch of folks sitting on their behinds getting a pepper spray bath”
You’re right about this part.
And yes….. If its SWAT, I will probably be killed. But if it’s not SWAT….I’m not waiting to find out.
The problem is….how do you know? I don’t see any other way to do it other than coming in hard and fast with no warning. I’m just saying, it’s a difficult problem. I might have had my M&P15 on me when they came through the door for all I know, and, you guessed it, I’d get 22 extra holes in me too. And knowing my luck, I wouldn’t have time to drink a glass of water and have it come out of my 22 new holes like in the cartoons.
The only way is to stop using “no-knock” raids against targets that don’t need it.
Let’s examine this one.
The victim was NOT associated with any crimes. He was not in a hostage crisis. He was not committing violence.
The cops knock for a while, successively louder and more aggressively until its OBVIOUS that the person is not coming to the door. Then kick it in. They were serving a SEARCH warrant, not an arrest warrant.
He could have been picked up while at work. They could have served his wife while the two were separated.
The militarization of the police is a bad thing. They are supposed to work FOR us and respect our rights.
The Richmond Tea Party sent the city of Richmond an invoice to get their money back. They demanded equal treatment since the Occupy group needed no permits and jumped through no hoops.
The city just sent them a letter stating that because they have not…well…let me let the Tea Party phrase it:
In the audit letter signed by Cynthia Carr, Field Auditor for the City of Richmond, it states that our Tea Party is delinquent in filing of Admissions, Lodging, and Meals Taxes with the city and as such our group has been targeted for a comprehensive audit. Well, aren’t we special? In fact, as part of the Business License we have with the City, a form is filled out by our treasurer every month (as required). We have never charged admission or had lodging or meals associated with our rallies. Every month the forms are appropriately filled with zeros. Ms. Carr goes on to say that if we don’t respond within 15 days, the City will make a statutory assessment–meaning they’ll pick an amount to charge us.
Naaaah….I’m sure this is just a coincidence. Just because the Mayor expressed sympathy for the Occupy group and spoke at a gathering doesn’t mean a thing……
Why are you being charged anything? @Cargo
What do you do that needs a permit? I have never heard of such a thing.
Amazing that Cardo and I are on the same side for once.
Question for Slowpoke – why didn’t the cops simply knock on the door during the day and serve their stupid warrant? What would have been wrong with such a law-abiding approach?
The cops found no drugs and obtained no leads from their reckless execution. That young man and Marine veteran died defending himself and his family. There is nothing nobler.
What most concerns me is the lack of outrage from the American people about such heavy-handed police tactics. Is this “war on drugs” worth shredding the Constitution? Are a few bags of pot worth depriving individuals of their life and liberty by aboloshing their right to due process? I think not and hope most Americans would too.
Oops, meant Cargo, not Cardo.
Steve Jobs told Barack Obama that he had created 700,000 jobs overseas. He then told the Prez what it would take to create those jobs here would be 30,000 engineers to back up the 700,000 workers.
So why aren’t we stapling green cards to the backs of those getting educated here, along with their diplomas, in the United States? Instead we send them back to their country of origin before the ink is even dry on their diploma. Doh.
Immigration reform is desperately needed.
@Moon-howler
Apparently, the Richmond Tea Party is considered a “business” and that this is part of the standard business license.
Is that just in Richmond? Is anyone selling anything? What tax status did they file under?
I would sure be changing that.