Rick Perry has decided that he was been wrong about abortion. After watching Mike Huckabee’s video on abortion, he has decided that the government does have a right to force a woman to bear a child that was conceived from rapeand/ or incest. He was unclear about whether life of the mother should be discarded in favor of the fetus.
My question is, when is it going to end? If the new Perry position isn’t extreme enough, perhaps one of the big Ron Paul supporters is. IN fact, the Ron Paul campaign is doing nothing to distance itself from this YoYo, reported by outsidethebeltway.com :
Four years ago, the Ron Paul campaign generated controversy by not repudiating the endorsement of the neo-Nazi group Stormfront, but at least back then they didn’t actually promote the fact that they had received the endorsement. This time, though, they seem pretty proud about getting the support of a Nebraska Pastor who has made some pretty vile comments:
Paul’s Iowa chair, Drew Ivers, recently touted the endorsement of Rev. Phillip G. Kayser, a pastor at the Dominion Covenant Church in Nebraska who also draws members from Iowa, putting out a press release praising “the enlightening statements he makes on how Ron Paul’s approach to government is consistent with Christian beliefs.” But Kayser’s views on homosexuality go way beyond the bounds of typical anti-gay evangelical politics and into the violent fringe: he recently authored a paper arguing for criminalizing homosexuality and even advocated imposing the death penalty against offenders based on his reading of Biblical law.
“Difficulty in implementing Biblical law does not make non-Biblical penology just,” he argued. “But as we have seen, while many homosexuals would be executed, the threat of capital punishment can be restorative. Biblical law would recognize as a matter of justice that even if this law could be enforced today, homosexuals could not be prosecuted for something that was done before.”
Reached by phone, Kayser confirmed to TPM that he believed in reinstating Biblical punishments for homosexuals — including the death penalty — even if he didn’t see much hope for it happening anytime soon. While he said he and Paul disagree on gay rights, noting that Paul recently voted for repealing Don’t Ask Don’t Tell, he supported the campaign because he believed Paul’s federalist take on the Constitution would allow states more latitude to implement fundamentalist law. Especially since under Kayser’s own interpretation of the Constitution there is no separation of Church and State.
“Under a Ron Paul presidency, states would be freed up to not have political correctness imposed on them, but obviously some state would follow what’s politically correct,” he said. “What he’s trying to do, whether he agrees with the Constitution’s position or not, is restrict himself to the Constitution. That is something I very much appreciate.”
So basically this guy supports Ron Paul because he thinks a President Paul would make it easier for him and people like him to enact state laws that mirror the Book of Leviticus, and the Paul campaign welcomes his support. This is not libertarianism.
Great Scott! Did this guy just advocate killing gays because the bible tells us to? Ron Paul needs to issue a statement immediately saying this guy is not only unacceptable but also advocated committing murder which is illegal in all 50 states and all the territories.
I believe this primary season has shown me a few new lows in humanity that I never thought possible. Rick Perry is pretty much out of the running but Ron Paul is a leader in the Iowa caucus. Do people really think this behavior is acceptable? Does Mike Huckabee believe what Rick Perry believes? What is wrong with these people? Kill the gays and force women to bear the offspring of their rapists. I have to digest this information. I am speechless.
I credit Newt Gingrich today for taking Paul to task on the racist newsletters he wrote. The other candidates need to man up and do the same for Paul’s racist statements.
The bible also condemns the practice of usury. Should we put bankers to death too?
Many people would like to put bankers to death, I expect.
Good one on usury. I would applaud Gingrich except he isn’t saying that for the right reasons, I expect.
Starry, there is no proof that Dr. Paul wrote those newsletters. It’s actually a pretty ‘open-secret’ that Mr. Rockwell wrote them.
But, I am willing to be corrected if you can provide proof that he ‘wrote’ them as you said.
Usury in the Christian Bible is an interesting thing…in the Old Testament, it is condemned; in the New Testament, there are a couple of examples where it is encouraged. Still condemned in the Torah and Koran however….usury is “got around” by having a fee where the lender does make a profit. A couple of years ago, there was a Muslim Bank under investigation in the USA for having a large “fee”.
@Ray, and the NT does not mention homosexuality.
@marinm, What on earth is Ron Paul’s name doing on them and why isn’t this easy to trace. I certainly don’t think he would be stupid enough to do something like that but…stranger things have happened. If your name is on it, you own it until you straighten it out. I find it funny how no one blinked on this one. It didn’t even get Rev., Wright attention.
Ron Paul needs to man up, and take responsibility for what was published in his publications. He often wrote articles for the publications using his own byline, but the real controversial items did not use a byline. But, they were still published by Ron Paul, and he still promoted and collected the income from them. He was the publisher – he is responsible.
Pat, but he DID take moral responsibility for what was done under his name.
http://communities.washingtontimes.com/neighborhood/stimulus/2011/dec/27/racism-and-ron-pauls-newsletters/
The evidence is that Ron Paul didn’t write either comment. In 2008 he did, however, claim moral responsibility for the content of his newsletters, and given the amount of money they earned, he’d have been careless to be entirely unaware of their contents.
from same article that I thought would be interesting.
What they aren’t is evidence that Ron Paul is a racist, nor even that he tolerates racists in his organization. It’s been noted by some of my colleagues that Paul attracts a more diverse range of thought than most, including people who skate very close to the edge of American opinion, and libertarian that he is, he seems disinclined to censor them, even when they work for him.
By all means lets crush the guy that has support from both Wall Street and Occupiers and can unite people..
Marin, everyone has support from someone, some place. I hardly think that Ron Paul is the Wall Street candidate and I hardly think he is the Occupiers’ candidate. This dude threatens to crater 5 cabinet departments. I believe most Americans find that somewhat scary. I don’t know about you but I simply don’t trust corporate America to protect me environmentally.
You might want to take a quicker refresher course in history 101 to get over it if you think corporate America is going to save you. The govt isn’t perfect but I also have to ask who stands to gain. The govt is going to win hands down as far as who I want in my corner.
No corporation can take away my rights. The government can.
The TSA breaks the 4th amendment, restricting free travel, as do some states with their restrictions on the 2nd amendment. Now the Feds have approved indefinite detention and assassination. The government, not a corporation, can imprison me for not paying for mandated healthcare insurance. The government, not a corporation, can prevent the free transaction of trade. The gov’t can and will kill citizens that it finds offensive, and do it “legally.”
Corporations can be sued for damages. Governments cannot be sued. CEO’s can be imprisoned for fraud. When was the last time a Congressman was imprisoned for fraud?
I’ll take my chances with corporations as long as we have an honest government that doesn’t involve itself in crony capitalism. Oh…wait…..we do. So…I cant trust either of them. And we can only reduce the power of government so that it CAN’T involve itself with corporations except as a referee. And that’s the courts.
It can’t? How interesting. How about that massive land grab in the 1800 where the railroads grabbed up land, cheated people out of what was rightly theirs? Corporations can take away what is yours any old day of the week that you have something they want. So can the govt. You have a lot more chance of protecting yourself against the govt than you do against a corporation.
Govts can be sued. Where have you been?
I find your defense of corporations scary, scary for you.
Governments have to agree to be sued.
As I said, the GOVERNMENT must be honest and act as a referee. In the 1800’s crony capitalism was the name of the game. If the courts had been honest, and the government acting in the interest of the citizenry, then it would not have been possible for the land grab.
If you think that you can protect yourself against the government, see WACO. See asset forfeiture. See no-knock raids and police militarization. See the KELO decision.
Corporations can steal from you only with government assistance. Who gave those RR’s the power and money to steal land? The government subsidies.
Cargo, go ahead and turn yourself over to the corporations. I figure I have a partial chance with the govt. I have zero chance with corporations. It’s all a matter of chance.
I can go sue PWC Tuesday if I want. They don’t need to give me permission.
Republicans are so desperate to gain the Wnhie House and control Congress, they will play to the baser instincts of every possible group they can–hate groups, love groups, TEA Party folks, non-TEA Party folks, whites, blacks, browns and all shades in between. Nd secretly they will include the LGBT community, pro- choice, atheists and agnostics. They are waging war on women, free speech, the right to vote, government and maybe even the Constitution.
OWS
@Pokie,
As far as OWD goes, its a nasty job but someone has to do it. I am glad they are out there. You have to admit, they aren’t acting all selfish and priviledged.
Funny stuff. Who rattled your cage?
I will address the actual thread topic regarding Perry.
I am disgusted. If my daughter were raped, how DARE he or any other person force my daughter to bear an unwanted conception. Are we living in a Taliban society? Since when did I forfeit the right to my own body to the government. Taxes are ok to become hysterical over but control a womans body and these tea party republicans are fine witht that?
just read the biblical kill gay people reverend, and I believe, unfortunately actually, my point about the Taliban has just been reinforced.