The correct answer is, a visit from the Secret Service. 

ABCnews.com

The U.S. Secret Service is looking into the incendiary and potentially threatening remarks made by rocker and Mitt Romney-backer Ted Nugent at the National Rifle Association convention over the weekend.

“We are aware of them and we are conducting the appropriate follow-up now,” Secret Service spokesman George Ogilvie told ABC News.

Nugent told a crowd of convention goers that “if Barack Obama becomes the president in November, I will either be dead or in jail by this time next year.”

“If you can’t go home and get everybody in your lives to clean house in this vile, evil, America-hating administration, I don’t even know what you’re made of,” he said. The comments were caught on tape and posted online by the website Right Wing Watch.

The Democratic National Committee and Obama campaign have launched a multimedia offensive against Romney over Nugent, demanding that the presumptive GOP nominee disavow the statements of his high-profile supporter.

But the White House today refused to join in the condemnation and said that it won’t be “policing the statements of supporters across the board.”

I sure am glad that the Secret Service agreed with me.   The rhetoric seemed a little extreme to me, but what do I know?  Threats against the president, both explicit and implicit are usually taken very seriously.  I don’t hold Mitt Romney responsible.  I hold the NRA responsible.  The mouth flashing happened on their watch.  Poor Mitt would probably shoot his foot off if he handled a gun. 

More to the point, the NRA is busy spreading lies and creating hysteria about Obama taking everyone’s guns.  Clearly, that has never been suggested.  Remember before President Obama was inaugurated?  Ammunition was very scarce and had gotten expensive.  Why?  The rumor that Obama was rounding up everyone’s guns.

It’s really time for the lies to stop.  Gun laws have become much less restrictive since 2008, across the nation.  It’s time for thinking people to stop falling for NRA’s tricks.  They and other 2nd amendment groups want your money and your membership.  I see the crap that they send out.  It  comes to my house.  It is alarmist and incendiary and has one purpose.

 

71 Thoughts to “If your’re Ted Nugent, what does a big mouth get you?”

  1. Second Alamo

    And the words of the New Black Panthers????????? Nothing happens! There you go, lets target those groups the the admin DOESN’T agree with. Makes you wonder what they find acceptable in the NBP actions so as to not even make a comment.

  2. Elena

    the black panthers threatened the President with such specicifity? Where is the story. Could you stay on topic and maybe address personal responsibility, I thought that was the foundation of the republican party.

  3. Emma

    SA is right on target. Some speech is ignored, some speech generates an immediate backlash. It’s very obvious which speech this administration tolerates and which it does not.

  4. Blue

    @Second Alamo

    Now now there SA. You know that the Civil Rights Division of Holder’s Justice Department knows who his people are while the Secret Service folks of big sis’s Homeland Security Dept don’t like anybody. And you know its very different when it comes from a Ted Nugent type. Let’s be careful too or the TSA will board your bus to check your papers and ask where you are going and why – oh, they are already doing that, never mind, ok, as long as they are government employeees, it must be ok.

    I hope they arrest Ted. Best thing they could ever do for old Mitt.

  5. Starryflights

    I am glad that the SS is taking Ted’s threats seriously. Making threats against the POTUS is a very serious matter.

    I am surprised that Mitt has not taken the opportunity to distance himself from those comments. I think his refusal to do so will continue feeding the perception that he kowtows to the extreme right of his party. That will hurt his chances with the all-important independent voters.

    The NRA and Ted are a bunch of whiny chicken littles running around screaming “The sky is falling!”

    I have no idea what this new black panthers thing is all about.

  6. SlowpokeRodriguez

    Ted’s a big boy. He can handle the fallout of what he said. Obama hasn’t even suggested he would try to take our guns, that is true. Make no mistake, he would if he could. The left had great hope for the Trayvon Martin shooting, but that fizzled out. And if Obama gets a second term? It could get interesting! Makes for jolly good entertainment!

  7. Elena

    still waitin’ on the incident where the Black Panthers made threatening statements against a President!

    Anyway, back to the point. Ted Nugent behaved like an ignoramous.

  8. Elena

    What kind of person suggests that the left had great hope after a teenager is killed? Hope for what Slow? Hope at least there would be a trial into the death of a kid being pursued by an armed civilian? What is wrong with you, if that were YOUR child, woudn’t you want at least a trial?

  9. Blue

    Have your missed this this morning? Probably cannot be said better – and from the Compost no less.

    http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/compost/post/ted-nugent-says-something/2012/04/17/gIQAYBr4OT_blog.html

  10. Cato the Elder

    I wish I could buy stock in righteous indignation.

  11. @Blue
    What she said. Amen.

    Oh my! A rock star says something, indeed.

    And, again….there were NO threats to the President. Some people need to learn to comprehend reading and context.

  12. Cato the Elder

    Will they wear brown shirts and the little armbands with the “O” symbol on them when they go to interview him?

  13. @Second Alamo

    HOw do you know, SA? I believe I have already spoken about that. Of course the difference is, the Secret Service would have nothing to do with the Black Panthers. You don’t know that the FBI hasn’t paid them a visit. They aren’t the president.

  14. Blue

    @Cato the Elder

    The righteous indignation market is growing exponentially and is expected to increase strongly through the third quarter. Righteous indignation futures will also grow at a high rate through at least the 4th quarter and possibly well into the 1st quarter of 2013. Just today, for example, the debate turned on whether is was more or less politically correct to take your dog on vacation with you on the top of your SUV or eat them as a local delicacy.

    With righteous indignation prices high and an election looming, the president announced a very public “crackdown” on those who manipulate this market for private gain at the expense of millions of “working families” earning not more than $250,000. He asked Congress to spend $ millions more for additional federal employees for more oversight of the righteous indignation market. He also promised not to enter or otherwise speculate himself in those same markets. This came as some surprise and for several hours affected prices until the markets realized that historically legal investments in righteous indignation futures markets were not being redefined through regulation as illegal – unless posted by anyone earning more than $250,000 per year, excluding obviously those who would use any part of generational transfers of accumulated wealth.

  15. @Emma

    @Emma, one is a threat on the President. The Black Panthers threatened a private citizen. Surely you and SA see the difference in Barack Obama and George Zimmerman? I hope the FBI has paid the Panthers a visit. Surely you don’t assume they aren’t being watched like hawks?

    The FBI doesn’t announce its business. A public threat on the President, regardless of who he is, is another matter.

    Suggestion–the topic is Ted Nugent. Address the bad behavior here. Let’s not do the middle school thing and try to deflect back to the Black Panthers. Yes, they were bad too. But that was 2 weeks ago. Naughty BP behavior doesn’t make naughty Ted Nugent behavior any less naughty. Come on guys…..

  16. I wish I could buy stock in stupidity. I would be a wealthy woman.

  17. Cato the Elder

    Don’t you already have a large position? :mrgreen:

  18. @Cargosquid

    Yes, Cargo, there were veiled threats contained in much of what he said, threats that have to be taken seriously, especially when made publically. The point isn’t that he is an old aging burned out rocker. We know that and covered that yesterday (@Blue). He made public statements that contained very shallowly veiled threats at the NRA convention.

    He wasn’t some old drugged out rocker still operating on 2 cylinders sitting around the locla bar in bum-F**k, Missouri.

    He got the attention he wanted from his peeps and he also got the attention of the Secret Service. Sucks to be him, doesn’t it. That’s what having a big STUPID mouth will do for you.

    What is that about assuming personal responsibilitiy? He needs to start doing it. (so does Bob Beckle.)

  19. SlowpokeRodriguez

    Elena :
    What kind of person suggests that the left had great hope after a teenager is killed? Hope for what Slow? Hope at least there would be a trial into the death of a kid being pursued by an armed civilian? What is wrong with you, if that were YOUR child, woudn’t you want at least a trial?

    No, no, dear, you don’t get to ignore all the politicians and celebrities who came out right after the shooting and called for gun restrictions. Let me guess… “you didn’t hear it”??? Bill Cosby (who normally I really admire), Emanuel Cleaver, etc. They had an actual gleam in their eyes thinking about what gun restrictions they could turn this unfortunate incident into.

    1. @pokie, I don’t recall anyone calling for gun restrictions per se. I recall many people calling for a repeal of ‘stand your ground’ laws. Oh…those are gun laws. slap slap.

      If that particular law allows for someone to shoot an unarmed person and just get up and go home, then yes, I think we need to take a look at those laws and make them a little more grounded in personal responsibility. Is it just me?

      Why do people like Bill Cosby get a gleam in their eye about gun restriction? Could it be because some of you 2nd amendment people have been such incredible pains in the ass thinking that you have a right from birth to death to carry cannons around if you so choose. Some ofyou all have thrown all caution, reason and wisdom out the window in defense of what your perceive as your right. You have lost many of us who would otherwise support your efforts. You have embarrassed us because you don’t make sense any more in a civilized society. You have shut off all conversation and all compromise. some of you want to arm drunken frat boys. Many of you sound like rednecks and have bad manners. I don’t want to drink my coffee next to your AK-47 that you think you have the right to drag with you everywhere. It’s just bad manners to walk around with things that make other people uncomfortable. We don’t know that you are sane. Sane people, to me, don’t walk around armed to the hilt at a neighborhood shopping center in a peaceful neighborhood. We aren’t the wild west.

  20. Censored bybvbl

    Ted Nugent has the right to say whatever crapola he wants. And the Secret Service has the right to question him about any of the crapola that references the Prez. He should be a big boy and take his medicine.

  21. Hi/5 Censored.

    Exactly. Having a big mouth isn’t illegal. It just might be worth more trouble than it is worth.

  22. Veiled threats. Really.

    Again…. his allegory of being “Braveheart” and riding to battle instead of staying home is a threat? And his statements of being dead or in jail is a threat? Sounds more like he’s worried about the gov’t attacking HIM.

    You do know that Ted is a Reserve LEO, right? He’s a cop.

  23. Elena

    Once again, personal responsibility is what Ted Nugent needs to engage. I think it was the point where he said “I’ll even be in jail or dead” left questions in people’s minds I imagine.

    FYI, white house has said nothing.

  24. Oh, and that radical Mike Huckabee is defending ol’ Ted.

  25. Cato the Elder

    The Nuge would make for a great White House Press Secretary.

  26. @Cargosquid

    If Ted Nugent is a cop then come jurisdiction is slumming and really needs to re-think that hire.

    Cargo, I know what I heard. Those are questionable remarks that when directed at the president, vice president, and secretary of state, get you on the ‘watch’ list.

    Why do you always try to defend the indefensible?

    There is simply no justification for that kind of speech, regardless of who makes it. Sort like it doesn’t matter if Maher calls Palin the C word or if Nugent calls Hillary the C word. there is no justification for that kind of speech being made publically.

  27. Scout

    I took Mr. Nugent’s remarks to be suicide, not homicide, threats. Surely the Secret Service is not required to protect him from self-destruction. Did I miss something?

  28. Morris Davis

    Uncle Ted was appointed a deputy sheriff by Maricopa County Sheriff Joe Arpaio.

    http://phoenixteaparty.ning.com/group/ridersusa/forum/topics/mcsd-deputy-ted-nugent-to

  29. @Moe

    Oh Dear God. THAT is supposed to reassure me? I hope that certification doesn’t transfer across state lines.

    @Scout–I would think that when it comes to national security, the Secret Service and other law enforcement groups investigate suspicious talk rather than leave it to guess work.

    I would imagine that the same types of profiling is done with terrorists.

    Just out of curiosity, how would suicide get one put in jail?

  30. Starryflights

    Ted’s rhetoric is the kind one might expect to hear in a third world middle east country, where one threatens violence if the election outcome is undesirable. People like Ted Nugent are turning our great, civilized nation into a third world banana republic.

  31. @Morris Davis
    That’s a new one. I’ve only heard that he was a Michigan Reserve Sheriff and a Texas county Reserve Constable.

  32. @Starryflights
    Its not Ted doing that.
    Its the current administration that’s doing that.
    Third world gov’ts are all about WHO you know to get ahead, “loans” to cronys, political connections, and corruption.

    And really? Middle East country?…. I thought that violent overthrow of dictators was a good thing….. Tunisia, Libya, Egypt, Syria…… HAMAS and Iran… the violence is coming from the government. Real violent revolutionaries…. in democratic countries sound like the Occupy movement, Bill Ayers, Rev. Wright, the Black Panthers, Al Sharpton, ….

  33. Censored bybvbl

    Nugent is an NRA Board member as well.

  34. marinm

    Again sorry that I can’t cut and paste from my phone but it was mentioned that an “armed civilian” killed Martin. You do realize CIVILIAN law enforcement officers are not the same as the military. They are civilians too.

    The right of self defense and using arms to defend life (and in some states property) is fundamental.

    The left here will be sad to see that nothing comes out of this investigation and that Teds political point is being made for him. That he can be put in jail at the whim of this administration.

  35. marinm

    FWIW I’m at a tire repair shop in Toledo and was watching the news talk about Ted and this one guy looks at the TV and says “You get them Ted!!”. The other patrons nodded approval.

    God bless this country. We still have hope.

  36. Elena

    Zimmerman is not a police officer Marinm.

    I wonder how you would feel if Nugents words had been directed at President Bush, very different I imagine.

    I guess that is what sets us apart, when Bush had shoe thrown at him I was appalled. When he was compared to Hitler I was appalled. I may differ with people’s policy stance, but the juvenile incivility is unacceptable.

  37. SlowpokeRodriguez

    This is getting good. The looney left is starting to call for Nugent’s arrest. They think they’ve got a winner, here. It’s going to backfire, as everything else does. The looney left is sooo funny!

  38. SlowpokeRodriguez

    Elena :
    I wonder how you would feel if Nugents words had been directed at President Bush, very different I imagine.

    You mean like the rapper who goes by the name “common”? Like his comments? What happened to him after he said incendiary things about Bush? He got invited to the White House by Michelle Obama.

    1. Not even close, pokie. Not even close. Rappers say things all the time that I don’t like. It isn’t the same thing as giving a speech for a national organization.

      We have discussed the Common song before. Not even close. Nice try. No banana.

  39. Elena

    I just read about the song/rap/music you are referencing Slow. Did some research. Doesn’t come CLOSE to the diatribe of Nugent. In fact, he talks more about the violence directed towards black people then he does Bush! I think you are showing your age Slow and lack of understanding for rap 😉

    Tell the law, my Uzi weighs a ton [reference to Public Enemy’s song, “Public Enemy Number 1”–often quoted by many rappers since]

    I walk like a warrior, [reference to Dead Prez’ song, “Walk Like a Warrior”]

    from them I won’t run

    On the streets, they try to beat us like a drum [police brutality]

    In Cincinnati, another brother hung [I’m guessing a reference to a specific incident proximal to this recording]

    Again he won’t see the sun

    with his family stung

    They want us to hold justice

    but you handed me none

    The same they did to Kobe and Michael Jackson

    make them the main attraction

    Turn around and attack them

    Black gem in the rough

    You’re rugged enough

    Use your mind and nine-power, get the government touch [if you step beyond the bounds of being black for any other reason than “for entertainment purposes only,” you get the government “touch”–id est, brutalized]

    Them boys chat-chat on how him pop gun [we talk about how violent black males are, but not about the violence done to them]

    I got the black strap to make the cops run [self defense against police brutality]

    They watching me, I’m watching them

    Them dick boys got a lot of cock in them

    My people on the block got a lot of ‘Pac in them

    and when we roll together

    we be rocking them to sleep

    No time for that, because there’s things to be done

    Stay true to what I do so the youth dream come

    from project building

    Seeing a fiend being hung

    With that happening, why they messing with Saddam?

    Burn a Bush cos’ for peace he no push no button [What does Common mean by “Burn a Bush”? Is he actually calling on someone to burn him, like, at the stake? Hmm… Probably not. The meaning of three words in a poem is hard to pin down, whether Whitman, Keates, Frost, Baraka, Scott-Heron, or Common. Could mean, simply, get rid of him; get him out of office, out of our faces… Who really knows what Common was thinking when he put those three words on paper? Bush will push a button for war, but not for peace]

    Killing over oil and grease

    no weapons of destruction [we’re intervening in the Middle East, not because of WMDs, nor to ‘spread freedom and democracy,’ but for strategic access to oil]

    How can we follow a leader when this a corrupt one

    The government’s a g-unit and they might buck young

    Black people In the urban area one

    I hold up a peace sign, but I carry a gun [I want to live peacefully, but I must defend myself, my property, my rights, my family, my very life against any and all threats: the 2nd Amendment speaks directly to this line]

    Peace, ya’ll

    Read more: http://dailycaller.com/2011/05/09/burn-a-bush-michelle-obama-invites-rapper-common-to-a-poetry-reading/#ixzz1sVlTOnQM

  40. I find it strange that the conservatives here never just discuss or defend behavior without doing the “but the other guy did something worse” thing. I have never seen anything like it. So what, what someone else did. Can’t we process behavior, good and bad, without comparing to what someone else did?

    I guess I hot slapped up side the head enough over that. If I told my mother that someone else was doing it, I got slapped and told she was only interested in one person’s behavior–mine.

    No one cares what Common did. We have discussed it, the pros and cons. He wasn’t representing the NRA,

  41. Emma

    How about the movie that fantasized about the assassination of GWB while he was still President? I guess that was just another leftwing “nothing to see here, move on” moment. But let Sarah Palin use the word “crosshairs,” and the left rushes to accuse her of inciting violence. It’s a real head scratcher, isn’t it?

    @SlowpokeRodriguez

    1. I guess you haven’t heard me on that subject either since you two want to out do each other with what lefties to worse.

      I thought it was horrible to make that film and I refused to see it until he was out of office. However, I did go see Primary Colors while Bill Clinton was still in office. I don’t approve of making movies like that.

      I will ask you the same question Emma, that no one else seems to want to answer. Why si it that instead of discussing the merits of what has been posted, do you feel the need to reach around and pull out something someone else has done bad? I simply don’t understand it?

      Sarah Palin choses her language to incite.

  42. Actually I did post about the merits. I stated that he made no threats and listed the possible criminal and unconstitutional actions of this administration. There were no threats. If there were, he would be arrested by the Secret Service very quickly, instead of the SS stating “We will take appropriate actions.”

    1. Elena and I disagreed with you in part also. He made veiled threats. it isn’t just about words. Its also about audience, intent, tone, and other things. I don’t see any reason to arrest him at this point. However, when people make those kinds of statements, they often attract the attention of security. His speech was very inciteful and incendiary.

  43. marinm

    “Zimmerman is not a police officer Marinm.”

    I was pointing out that police officers are civilians, too. Didn’t mention Zimmerman being a police officer or not.

    “I wonder how you would feel if Nugents words had been directed at President Bush, very different I imagine.”

    I support free speech. His speech used colorful metaphors to describe how a campaign should be waged and the repercussions to our freedom and liberty if Obama were to be re-elected. Again, this isn’t hate speech.

    So, here’s a question for the liberal peanut gallery. The USSS will talk to Ted tomorrow. What if nothing happens? What if they see this as just colorful language and no threat implied?

    Will y’all still want his head or will y’all clue in that just cause something is on Huffington don’t make it so…

    1. @marin

      I would find Nugent’s words very unacceptable if directed towards Geroge Bush. I thought I made that fairly clear in my defending the indefensible “speech.” If Nugent were just representing himself, I would not find it as offensive as I do. the fact that he was at an NRA convention, using their sound system or at least a sound system under their ‘banner” that makes this speech more revolting.

      I don’t care whether its him calling Hillary the C word or Bill Maher calling Palin (is that who got it from him?} the C word. In both cases it is indefensible public speech.

  44. Morris Davis

    Army leaders dumped the Nuge from upcoming concert at Fort Knox. Statement didn’t say if it was because of his recent ignorant speech or because he’s a draft dodger who adopted a 17 year old because she was too young to marry.

    http://www.tennessean.com/article/20120419/NEWS01/120419027/Ted-Nugent-booted-from-Fort-Knox-concert-line-up?odyssey=nav%7Chead

  45. Scout

    If Mr. Nugent feels that the re-election of the President will result in Mr. Nugent’s committing suicide, I would be very sad for it, but would not intervene to stop it (unless it were occurring immediately in my presence, in which circumstances it would be my Christian obligation to preserve life). Beyond that, I don’t think this is a very significant story line.

  46. Huffingtonpost.com

    (in reference to the Secret Service)

    In a statement on his website, Nugent called it a “good, solid, professional meeting concluding that I have never made any threats of violence towards anyone.”

    “The meeting could not have gone better,” he said. “I thanked them for their service, we shook hands and went about our business. Godbless the good federal agents wherever they may be.”

    Nugent said he was just speaking figuratively when he made what some perceived to be threats against Obama and that he didn’t threaten anyone’s life or advocate violence.

    Perhaps Mr. Education would like to go to an airport and use that line of reasoning about …oh…planes and weapons or explosives. See where that gets him.

    There are just certain subjects you don’t monkey around with.

    “Metaphors needn’t be explained to educated people,” he said.

    Ah, the little shot, the zinger, the little slap….to insult those of us who took offense. I sure hold up that Ted Nugent as the Education Czar, that’s for sure.

  47. “I sure hold up that Ted Nugent as the Education Czar, that’s for sure.”

    THAT would be educational. And FUN!

    As for the Army canceling his concert….. ok. Words have consequences.
    And if you think that its because he was a “draft dodger,” are all people with education and health deferments draft dodgers?

    If he was, perhaps he changed? As so many people say….. patriotism is not limited to serving in the military. If he WAS a draft dodger…..at least he did not work AGAINST the US as so many did.

    1. I believe Colonel Davis was being sarcastic. @Cargo re Ted Nugent

      Just out of curiosity, what was his health deferment and where did Nugent attend college? He must have slept through the good grammar course.

      I don’t think that military service is necessary for patriotism nor does it qualify a person for elected office. I just think Nugent has a very checkered past of bad judgement and has personal qualities that I find repugnant. (like “wife adoption” and not paying child support)

  48. marinm

    I love it. CLEARED!!

    The left did more for giving Ted publicity to the cause of freedom and liberty than anyone could’ve imagined.

    Beautiful.

    Thank you.

    1. @marin, if that is your concept of freedom you have missed a great deal in the freedom department.

      Remember, those of us you are calling “the left” are also gun owners. So what are we, “lefty gun owners?” Gun owners with benefits?

      I would probably feel the same way if you tried to take a way my turquoise. sigh.

  49. @Moon-howler

    From Wiki:
    Military

    In 2006, an interviewer from the British newspaper The Independent questioned Nugent about a 1977 interview in High Times magazine in which Nugent allegedly detailed elaborate steps taken to avoid the Vietnam draft.[51] In the interview Nugent says, contrary to the story in High Times, that “I had a 1Y [student deferment]. I enrolled at Oakland Community College.”. However, the Selective Service classification for student deferment is actually 2-S, and medical deferment is 1-Y. A copy of Nugent’s Selective Service record shows that he had at separate times both a 1-Y medical deferment and 2-S student deferment.[56]

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