At what point do people admit that Nugent’s words were a BFD and that the kind of mentality he expressed does have consequences?
What might not be hate speech to some most definitely is to others.
The military should be apolitical. It often isn’t but that is the ideal. Many Americans are getting tired of polarizing politics and divisiveness.
People like Nugent create situations where neighbors can’t even talk to neighbors. Nugent creates and reinforces extremism. Extremism grinds the wheels of progress to a halt. We can’t conduct the business of government because one “side” blocks the other. Gridlock takes on a new meaning.
Good for the Army. I hope more sponsors will follow suit. Regardless of how people feel inside, it’s time Americans got back to more polite speech if nothing else. When we stop providing an audience for people like Nugent, that is a good starting place.
Believe it or not, I have no problem with the Army cancelling the show and depriving the soldiers. That’s their prerogative. Free speech does have consequences.
I’ll be sure to support any other organization that wants to withhold support or funds because of perceived problems from those on the left, too. I’m sure that you’ll be happy to do the same. Impoliteness needs to be stopped. No more harsh words or intemperate speech.
Wow….the Nuge is soooo finished!
The best part of this is how is annoys the left that the Secret Service had a brief chat the Nugent, asked him 3 questions because they had to, sat around shooting the *@&t for half an hour or so, and that was it.
Yeah, the gull of some people to pit poor against rich, man against woman, us against big business, left against right. How stinking divisive can one person be … oh wait, that’s Obama … never mind.
I’m surprised the Army evan allowed Ted to play at all, considering how big a coward he was when he chickened out of the Vietnam war draft. Ted Nugent was afraid to go to Vietnam.
In addition to being amongst the draft dodging self-proclaimed patriots of the loudmouth right wing chorus, Nuge entered a plea agreement last Friday to a federal criminal charge for illegally killing a black bear in Alaska. Military commanders try to keep criminals off their installations rather than inviting them on.
@Second Alamo
Bull puckey. I know who is doing the divisive thing and it aint Obama. You might want to change your news station, SA.
I will defend Nugent for not wanting to go to Vietnam. Many people I know took advantage of draft deferments. Most of the people I knew took the dreaded student deferment. You know, the one where you went to college. I have a friend who went into the seminary. My huband was married with a kid. Other friends took a little longer to graduate and still others joined the national guard. (not always the easiest thing to do)
I guess you had to be around during those times.
Look at it this way, folks. We have a candidate who did go when he was called (Ron Paul) who has the overwhelming support of the military, and his own party attacks him for his foriegn policy, suggesting that somehow Ron Paul’s foriegn policy is “unamerican”…..and that criticism is coming largely from people who did not go when called or found ways around it. What do you expect? We get what we deserve.
I am not even sure he was called. I think he volunteered to get help with medical school. Works for me.
I don’t think military service is a prerequisite for being elected president.
@SlowpokeRodriguez
It’s one of those rare occasions where you and I agree. Some of Ron Paul’s domestic and social policies scare me, but on foreign policy and national defense he’s the most sane one in the bunch.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W3kCGyqAEiA
Both Simon and Garfunkel and The Eagles had something to say on this subject.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y0sC_YDi98s
Sadly, there will always be war. We have better technology how to perform it. There will always be someone who wants something someone else has. Often the Lord will be blamed by those who lack the nads to just admit their own greed.
I have always believed Ted Nugent to be an ignorant d*ck, but he really went beyond the pale this time. Well if and when Obama is relelected, maybe Nugent will have the decency to lay low and play a few less state fairs.
There he is!!!!!
I’m sorry Moon, what should we call Obama then? He’s attacked the banks, big business, the rich, the right, the oil companies, police at times, Bush, Bush, Bush, USA’s past, the military early on, insurance companies, wall street, etc. etc. Attack, attack, attack! Not exactly a great way to provide support and admiration for the nation you were elected to steer into the future.
Attack? I haven’t heard an attack. Do you want a president to stick his head in the sand? Do oil companies get huge tax breaks? Yes. Of course they do. The rich? Obama himself is rich. He includes himself in what he says. All he says is that the wealthy can better afford to pay a little more. Do you disagree? I have never heard the president attack the military. How stupid would that be.
Do you think insurance companies do the right thing always? If yes, you have never dealt with one.
SA, it sounds like you are a Republican and anything any Democrat does will meet with your scorn. Am I on to something?
@Moon-howler
RP was out of med school when he joined the service – that’s how he was commissioned.
Slow/Morris, agreed that he’s the most sane and we get what we deserve…. The last 4 years has shown us that and I think if the GOP pushes hard for Romney we’ll get another 4 years of Obama.
But he did do his residency or internship there. I believe at the time he could use his service to offset his college expenses. I could be wrong or what I read about a year ago could have been wrong.
“In his last year of college, Ron Paul married Carol. After he graduated in 1957, the couple moved to Durham, North Carolina, where Ron attended the Duke University School of Medicine. Finishing his degree in 1961, he and his young family then moved to Detroit, Michigan. There Paul did his internship and residency at Henry Ford Hospital. Serving his country, he was as a doctor in the United States Air Force from 1963 to 1965 and then with the United States Air National Guard from 1965 to 1968.”
Pulled from Biography.com
I like this from NPR fwiw
As a doctor in Texas, Kwiatkowski says, Paul delivered more than 4,000 babies over the years. Most people may not know that Paul “has also been an outspoken proponent of midwifery, market-driven health care and, in his medical practice, he refused to accept federal funds.” Even under great pressure from the Texas branch of the American Medical Association and the Texas Medical Board, Kwiatkowski adds, “Dr. Paul refused to accept Medicare and Medicaid funding even as he served many of the poorest residents of Brazoria County.”
So why did he go into the military if he got nothing from it? How do we know it didn’t offset his obligations?
Why do I care?
So did he just treat patients for free? Why did he refuse to accept medicare?
“So why did he go into the military if he got nothing from it? How do we know it didn’t offset his obligations?”
He got a draft notice. It was either enlist in the Army, join another service, or seek deferment. He got commissioned.
“So did he just treat patients for free? Why did he refuse to accept medicare?”
Yes, he treated poor patients for free.
http://www.npr.org/2011/10/25/141653000/before-he-delivered-for-voters-paul-delivered-babies
Eventually Paul got so busy he took on a partner. Jack Pruett, who was then fresh out of his obstetrics/gynecology residency, says when he first sat down in Paul’s office, he was told there were two stipulations he would have to agree to before joining the practice.
“He said, ‘No. 1 is we will not perform any abortions.’ And I said, ‘That’s fine; I can live with that. What’s No. 2?’ ” he remembers.
No. 2, says Pruett, was that the practice would not participate in any federal health programs, which meant, as Paul described it, “that we will see all Medicare and Medicaid patients free of charge, and they will be treated just like all of our other patients, but we’re not going to charge them and accept federal funds.”
Still in debt from his medical training, Pruett said that was a little harder for him to swallow. “But I liked Ron, so I decided that I would agree to that, too. And in all those 20 years, we never accepted one penny of federal money. We saw all those patients for free, delivered their babies free, did their surgeries free; whatever they needed we did, and we didn’t charge them.”
Of course, Lake Jackson being a small town, occasionally Paul would get paid in other ways.
“Some of the people would bring chickens, or they would bring vegetables from their garden if they couldn’t afford to pay for their obstetrical fee,” recalls Richard Hardoin, a pediatrician who used to care for the babies Paul delivered.
@marin
I think that barter system is still used in parts of the rural south. If someone had enough children Doc Paul could have been kept in chickens for life.