My personal favorite of all the national parks-Yellowstone
This is the grandest place in the world and every time I think about the 2 times I have been I just bask in the memories. We took our oldest grandchild right before she got too cool to be caught dead with us and while the beauty of nature still amazed and astounded her.
If you have upper elementary or middle school kids, this is a walk on the wild side they will never forget. Set aside a week to explore. Its hard to say which is best, the geology or the animals.
And just think, you were walking in the active caldera of, possibly, the largest active volcano in the world…..
Yes, and it wasn’t the most settling thought. You know, I never felt an earthquake when I was there, either time.
Rachel Maddow comes clean:
“How can we compete without forcing people to give us money?”
http://dailycaller.com/2012/06/07/rachel-maddow-admits-that-dems-cant-compete-without-coercion/#ixzz1xDF2fg7x
“The private sector is doing fine.”
http://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2012/06/08/obama_the_private_sector_is_doing_fine.html
Now I see why the President isn’t allowed to talk to reporters that much….. 😉
“Where we’re seeing weaknesses in our economy have to do with state and local government.”
Where does he thing that THOSE gov’t get their money from?
But then, many people in the Obama administration have said for years that 8+% unemployment is the new normal….kind of like Europe was before their collapse……
So anything close to THAT scenario must be…. fine?
@Cargosquid
I don’t see or hear the language you have in quotation marks. Did she actually say what you’ve attributed to her as her words?
No triple crown winner. I’ll Have Another will not run in the Belmont. He has the beginning of tendonitis. Left front leg.
He might be retired.
Cry!!!!
@Cargosquid
You are taking that out of context. She is speaking of a post people united environment…how can democrats compete against corporate money political donations if unions are broken up.
That is one of her common themes.
@Cargosquid
I don’t know what you are trying to say here. State and local governments have had a very difficult time since the recession. What is your point? Why shouldn’t he say that? they don’t have the duggling power that the feds have for starters.
I believe America has the most wonderful national parks of any country.
The variety is incredible; from the redwoods and deserts in the West to
Acadia in Main; from Mt. McKinley in Alaska to the Everglades in Florida
and the many parks in between.
Camping with the kids in Yosemite (before it became over crowded) = one of the highlights
@Morris Davis
Good catch. I missed that. It was in quotes there. They were paraphrasing. I admit I missed it.
But it is the gist of her statement. Without mandatory union dues, how can they compete?
In a post United world…the Democrats can get money the same way the Republicans do…and they do. Wall St donates heavily to the Democrats. As for the unions being broken up..they’re not being broken up. They are voluntary collectives. No one is banning them. The law is just being leveled.
@Moon-howler
I’m saying that Obama stated the the private sector is doing fine, but only local gov’ts are hurting. Except that local gov’ts are hurting because the private sector is actually in HORRIBLE condition. Millions out of work….real unemployment around 8-12%….businesses closing……homes foreclosed…..tax revenue down……but the private sector is fine?
Cargo, that is one of Rachel’s main theories….and she is applying mostly at state level. I think her point is very valid. I am not second guessing here. I watch Rachel frequently and she makes a good argument for her position.
Now I am not necessarily agreeing or disagreeing with her….but…if you lived in a heretofor closed shop state, and you just lost collective bargaining rights, why would you feel the need to join the union? If enough people feel that way, you have effectively weakened the unions to the point that they are no longer function as they used to. So Republicans will triumph. If you are a republican, this is good. If you aren’t, not so good. From what I can tell, that’s how it works in those states. I don’t know. We run state elections differently here plus we are right to work.
Cargo, don’t say the unions aren’t being broken up. Yea they are. If you take away collective bargaining then they really aren’t unions any more. I dont know anything about private unions there other than I don’t think Walker can touch them. A capon isn’t a rooster. Quite trying to justify bully behavior with weasel words. If you have a capon, no one has banned roosters….they have just been neutered. PAC money is usually separate from union dues. Not sure about Wisconsin but in the south…pac money never comes from dues.
Some places yes, some places no. @Cargo. I dont think that is all he really said. Oh must I go listen again?
Let’s face it…this crash has one spot and that is the frigging real estate market. Who do we know who went to jail for that series of sequential wrong-doing? Almost no one. We would sit over here and watch real estate agents take people through $500k homes. Problem? The people obviously couldn’t afford them. They would be in old beaters held together with duct tape. Dishwashers can’t afford that type of housing. The damn real estate agents knew what they were doing. Not all. The professional ones didn’t do that. But the standards just got non-existent and the banking rules got too lax. Let’s not blame Barney Frank either. He had nothing to do with it.
I don’t live in a half million dollar house. Not even close, but the price of it was getting close before the crash. That is a huge joke. The market should have crashed but lots of people should have gone to jail too…from bankers to real estate agents.
Exxon Mobil is relocating 2100 jobs from high tax NOVA (Fairfax) to Houston – it is a shame that NOVA will lose those high paying jobs.
Careful, you’ll get a lecture on how much fun it is to pay taxes, and how we all should pay more and more and more in taxes. I can see that you have a good bead on the answer here, but just a friendly piece of advice, you might want to keep it to yourself. Lots of tax-us-till-we-choke folks ’round these parts!
who me??????? I don’t want to be taxed but I also realize it is part of living in a civilized society and that the things that improve the quality of live just don’t fall from the sky.
hell, I am still bitching about Amazon losing its tax exemption 9/13.
@Moon-howler
Here’s a post on it: http://pjmedia.com/ronradosh/2012/06/04/on-wisconsin-the-meaning-of-the-effort-to-recall-gov-scott-walker-in-tomrrows-special-election/
But the right to collective bargaining was not removed for salary. Only benefits and pension. The federal union workers have never had collective bargaining for benefits. Its not a sacred right.
And they had to contribute towards their pensions and health care.
And nothing is preventing them from striking.
The mandatory dues were taken. Then the unions used that money to beef up election money donations to the Democrats. The Democrats then promised union members above and beyond what they could deliver. Rinse…repeat. Unlike private unions, public unions don’t care if a local gov’t goes broke. They can always raise taxes, right?
What happened in Wisconsin is the same as what happened in private industry. The business when broke and had to change. If the union members believed in the unions, then they would stay voluntarily. Apparently they’re happier keeping that dues money in their pockets.
Since Walker was re-affirmed as the popular choice, apparently Wisconsin citizens agreed with what happened. The bottom line is that he saved money, didn’t need to fire anyone, and if anyone hates the situation, can quit. When the labor shortage becomes acute, changes will be made again.
@SlowpokeRodriguez
We are giving millions and tax breaks to the movie industry
There’s also money for the Redskins to move their Ashburn acitvities to Richmond.
http://money.cnn.com/data/fear-and-greed/?iid=EL
The market had a decent week M-H. Whew.
Don’t know about you , but I may move from Extreme Fear
to old fashioned regular Fear if this keeps up another week or two.
@punchak
And we shouldn’t. We need to cut out the special tax breaks for the Hollywood millionaires whose movies gross multi-millions…….yet don’t make a profit….ever.
I was reading a book by a travel writer a few years back. He lived next to Yellowstone.
He was walking with a friend and came upon grizzly tracks. Unlike normal people, they followed the tracks.
Winding around hills and valleys, they came across bear scat. Fresh bear scat. With porcupine quills in it.
They elected to turn around….Any bear tough and mean enough to pass quills, they didn’t want to meet.
The emails about health care reform and the individual mandate Gov. Romney mistakenly thought had been wiped clean when he left office are interesting reading and make it hard for him to credibly explain why he’s firmly opposed in 2012 to what he firmly advocated in 2006. According to the story that broke in Rupert Murdoch’s Wall Street Journal:
Mr. Romney personally drafted an op-ed article published in The Wall Street Journal the day before he signed the legislation. The draft, written on a Saturday, also defended the individual mandate, in different language from the final version of the piece as published.
Using an argument deployed today by the Obama administration, Mr. Romney defended the mandate by noting that taxpayers generally foot the bill when the uninsured seek health care.
“Either the individual pays or the taxpayers pay. A free ride on government is not libertarian,” the published op-ed stated. In a line that didn’t make the edited version, Mr. Romney added: “An uninsured libertarian might counter that he could refuse the free care, but under law, that is impossible—and inhumane.”
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052702303640104577436300587354714.html?mod=googlenews_wsj#project%3DROMEMAIL%26articleTabs%3Darticle
Is Romney thinking he is going to hide from his previous clarity of mind?
He was right as Obama is right now. Poor people aren’t paying. You are going to be paying for them. Might as well do it the most efficient way.
So, then let the gov’t open medical facilities and we’ll pay for it with taxes. I mean, if its a public good, that’s the way it should be handled. There should be no precedent enabling the government to force a citizen to buy a product from a third party. Once that precedent is set, where does it end?
auto insurance
home owners insurance
voter id
birth and death certificates
I know, I know, if you never drive you don’t need auto insurance.
If you don’t vote you don’t need ID
Good luck never getting birth or death certificates.
@Cargosquid
The VA offers a fine example of what government healthcare looks like.
Apparently there are many people without birth certificates. I’ve read about them. Many older people don’t have one.
But, birth and death certificates are not purchases from a third party. And you answered your own statements on auto and home insurance. I don’t need to get either if I don’t drive or have a loan on my house.
You do need ID. And since it is a gov’t demand, those that can’t afford to pay the fee, should be subsidized. If it a public good and gov’t demand…. the gov’t needs to step up. And yes, we pay for that. But again, its not a third party private purchase.
The closest thing tha tcould be described as mandatory third party purchase is the mandate for a militia member to arm himself.
@marinm
Yep. And if that’s what we get, which I actually use, since I don’t have heath insurance since I don’t have a job….. that’s what e get.
I have less of a problem with opening medicare to all than setting a precedent that allows gov’t to mandate third party purchase. As long as the private health care is also available, go ahead and do it. But accept that public medical care is sub standard to private. Long waits, rationed, non-flexible, etc.
If you get a birth certificate in Virginia you purchase from Vital Statistics. Why do you not consider that a third party?
Someone will purchase a death certificate. Maybe not you but whoever buries you.
Well yes, you need to get insurance on your car. You can’t operate it without.
That is actually the lamest argument of all. Why on earth would you or your political party want to pay for a bunch of other people’s health care? I sure as hell don’t want to. How about you all picking up my share of paying for people. I am tired of it. I think that is a great compromise. You all pick up the cost of all those who will get off the hook and not buy “Obama care.” I have covered enough dead beats in my life.
I will just pay for Moon and Mr. Howler and be done with it.
I think Cargo and I may have found common ground. I’m not a big fan of making people buy a commercial product. I would prefer seeing everyone have a right to basic health care. There is room for debate over what that would include, but I would say a yearly physical, emergency care for acute problems like a broken leg or a heart attack, and prompt treatment of things like the flu or pink eye that need to be treated to prevent it from spreading. If you want other things, like a facelift or something that is non-emergent, faster care or care in a Four Seasons-like environment, or things of that nature that exceed a basic level of care then you should have to pay for it yourself or obtain private insurance coverage. I don’t know that I have a preference whether a basic level of care is delivered through a DOD-VA model (I used DOD care for 25 years and my dad (who was 100 percent disabled in WW II) used the VA his entire adult life) or an expanded Medicare model.
I did an interview with a foreign television network yesterday for a program they are doing on the 2012 U.S. election. My part dealt with national security, but they are covering the full range of issues that voters will consider this fall. They had been in Baltimore earlier in the day at a VA medical facility for a segment on treatment for veterans. They left afterwards to attend a health fair today (I believe it is in Kentucky or Tennessee) where people were camping out overnight for a chance to get in line for a day of free medical care donated by doctors and dentists. We taped the interview outside the White House and yesterday afternoon was beautiful. As the cameraman was setting up, the interviewer told me where they had been and where they were headed. He waved his arm towards the White House and said it’s hard to imagine that in a great country like this tens of millions of people are without medical coverage.
That last sentence says it all.
@Moon-howler
Why on earth would you or your political party want to pay for a bunch of other people’s health care? I sure as hell don’t want to.
I agree. So, let’s not pay for them. Welcome to the libertarian side.
As for tens of millions without medical coverage…..that doesn’t mean, without care.
Medical care is not a right. Rights do not cost other people their labor. Medical care is a commodity. It can be treated as a public service, just like police, firefighting, and welfare. You seem to be ok with those.
But if the government has the power to tell a private citizen what to buy from a third private party….then where does it stop. To save medical costs, we then have to all join a gym? Have to eat vegetables….restrict our purcha…oh wait….the government is already attempting to set that up, to save “health care costs.”
Of course, once we have government health care for all, I can see this question coming up.
“Well Mr. Smith, your operation is scheduled for…oh, wait…did you pay your union dues?…. oh, good…..for tomorrow.”
Having a gun ins’t a right either. It’s a commodity. I haven’t changed sides at all. I have always hated knowing that every time my premium went up it was because another person without coverage had been some how tethered to my payments.
Let’s not pay for them? Good luck getting out of that. I have been paying for them my entire working life. You tell me how to make it stop and maybe we can have a conversation. You can’t so…..
I don’t care what name tag you want to hang on it. That doesn’t really matter. You and I are still paying for it. You are hysterical if you think the govt is going to force someone to buy it. Too bad. They need to be force. I would rather they be forced to pay than for my money just to be taken for them. This apparently doesn’t bother you.
Having the right to OWN a weapon is a right. The Gov’t should not restrict that. The gov’t doesn’t mandate ownership unless one is part of an organized militia.
Since its ok to force citizens to purchase items for their own good, what else do you recommend we be forced to buy? Why not force people to buy only government approved items like Chevy Volts? Or guns so as to provide for self defense? Or get permission to have children, since that drives up cost? Perhaps the gov’t will state that we can only buy certain books? Once the door to governmental coercion on this is open, its wide open. NOTHING will be off limits.
So, let’s not pay for them. If you object, sue. Oh..that’s right. Its progressive to have the government pay for things, to take the place of charity. So… the government made a law that forced medical facilities to treat people without regards to recompense. And the unintended consequences were ignored, even though there were warning.
It is a conservative ideal that all SHOULD be responsible for themselves if possible. All SHOULD get medical insurance or pay out of pocket. And be held responsible for medical bills.
It is NOT a conservative ideal that the government force one to purchase ANYTHING from a third party because the gov’t thinks that its a good idea. Please show me in the Constitution where the government has that power.
Since you object to paying for those that aren’t paying for medical bills, do you object to court appointed attorneys? My point is that we are treating private medical service without compensating it through taxes. If we want defacto public health care, we should provide it.
How about….if you seek private health care…pay for it. If you can’t or won’t…get in line and go to the free public clinic or hospital. The one with the gov’t doctors, long lines, etc.
Of course, getting to that would take a long hard political slog. And Democrats, and those that support them, would fight it tooth and nail. Maybe we need to put more conservatives in office.
Want to make it stop? We change the law, in the face of press attacks, etc. You have to defend yourself against being called selfish, racist, hateful, etc.
As I said, welcome to the libertarian side.
Many people who are selfish and racist don’t have any idea that they really are.
Guns-that right is restricted to age, types, if felon, if ever been a felon, mental stability, supposedly…point being it isn’t an unrestricted right. No right is unrestricted that I can think of.
Here’s the deal…..hospitals will get money to cover those unrecoverable charges by charging those who can/do pay more. I watched it for years. It isn’t necessarily the government.
Maybe we don’t need to put more conservatives in office. Too many of them are obsessed with other people’s reproduction. Le’t put moderates in. They seem to escape the raging stupidity of both extremes. They like to employ common sense.
That isn’t how much health care works. Culturally, that just isn’t how we do things. You know also that for all your bull you wouldn’t step over someone who was poor and sick. I wouldnt either but….it doesn’t mean that I like paying part of their hospital bill.
I forgot.
How do you feel about subsidizing those that can’t afford medical insurance? That’s going to happen. Or what happens when insurance just isn’t offered, for a variety of reasons?
Many businesses are dropping insurance because of increased costs or mandates caused by ACR. Now what?
Fork it over yourself. That’s what I had to do. It was comfortably over $500 per month…no help from my friends. 1 person, out of pocket group, no age dings.
I actually saw a Chevy Volt at Wegman’s the other weekend. Couldn’t believe my eyes!
@Moon-howler
Well, if you think that poor people will be forced to pay for health insurance, think again. Obamacare has subsidies for poor people.
Real poor people never pay for health care. They have various types of medicaid. However, some people can afford to pay something. Sliding scale is better than us footing the entire thing. Additionally, some people have nothing on a gamble. we pay for them also.
Don’t hang it all on Obama, for heaven sake. He didn’t invent medicaid. You can’t get blood out of a turnip. I can’t tell you how every inch of it is going to work and neither can you.
The power of OPEC seems doomed.
Add this to the Bakken and Canadian new oil fields. Its 80 times bigger than our Bakken oil field and that has 100 years of oil in it. And I don’t think Green Peace, the Sierra Club, or any other environmental group is going to be able to affect President Putin’s decisions to drill.
http://nextbigfuture.com/2012/06/bazhenov-neocomian-oil-formation-covers.html
More of our oil is coming from the Americas now.
Russian has been screwing up the environment for a century now. What else is new. How about those block size factory ships out there raping and pillaging the seas? Why does he do it? Because he can.
Remember the good old days when fish was something you ate to save money? Ha! Now you save for it like my family used to do to eat steak once a week or so when I was a kid.
Libertarianism: The radical notion that other people are not your property.
I think our General mentioned in a speech or in case notes that he conceeds that while the Federales are prohibited from HCR nothing blocks the states from doing so. So Romney’s reasoning for or against really don’t matter (because he won’t fight to overturn it). What matters is its constitutionality. We’ll find out in less than a month whos right on this subject.
Like Cargo I don’t object to the idea of a government run healthcare system (like our public health clinics) for the truly poor. You come in and pay according to a sliding scale after showing proof of citizenship. You won’t get top notch care but you will get something.
This is a concession in my beliefs because I’d rather have a limited program than to be forced into HCR. I also don’t want people dying on my yard and turning into zombies.
BTW, for those wanting a fun side project. Try visiting DOJ HQ without an ID. Eric Holder says it shouldn’t be an issue………………………………………… 😉
Folks, I have cleaned up the blog roll a little. I added the Sheriff and Tom Jackman. Tom has us listed at one of the top 31 blogs in the area and that we are centrist to slightly liberal. Who US? (innocent look)
I took out the bad links. If you have something you would like me to add to the blog roll, leave it on the open thread or email me. No promises though. You know there are cites who will not get free advertizing from me. Also if you run into a bad one on the blog roll that I might have missed, the same.
libertariansim-the notion that you are more important than anyone else and that only you count.
counter def.
I have a problem with the citizenship. Plenty of legal residents aren’t citizens. So what. They pay taxes. Only thing they can’t do is vote. That isn’t important to some folks.
@Moon-howler
“libertariansim-the notion that you are more important than anyone else and that only you count.”
You say that like a slam. I say that’s the point.
“I have a problem with the citizenship. Plenty of legal residents aren’t citizens. So what. They pay taxes. Only thing they can’t do is vote. That isn’t important to some folks.”
If they want free healthcare and aren’t citizens they can go back to their country of origin or pay for it. The ‘free’ stuff is only for AMERICANS that are poor.
Most legal residents pay taxes. Why must they be citizens?
Sigh, it is a slam. Why are you more important than I am, for instance? Or why are your kids more important than my kids? I have never encouraged selfish thinking. It sort of smacks in the face of everything we are taught.
I have mixed feelings on all of it. Part of me feels very resentful of some unknown person who I am perceiving as being too lazy to work. On the other hand, genreational poverty is a very complex issue. Truthfully, I want to pour birth control in the drinking water. Of course now I will be accused of wanting to practice eugenics.
“Most legal residents pay taxes. Why must they be citizens?”
In order to use a healthcare system only designed for the truly destitute. Not saying that non-citizens can’t use public/private hospitals if they can pay for it. Just saying that the ‘free’ system that I would set up would be for AMERICANS only.
“Why are you more important than I am, for instance?”
If you had to choose between me dying or you dying. Which would you choose? I unapologetically would choose myself. If you choose me I’ll pray for you and keep you in my heart and memories but I don’t think it’s the rationale choice.
“It sort of smacks in the face of everything we are taught.”
Maybe the lessons are wrong?
Well, why even bother having your kids baptized? That is certainly what they will be taught.
How about lets talk about something less extreme and permanent than death?
Ialso don’t see things as either you or me. Perhaps we could both co exist?
Saw this on FB and had me in stitches.. No truer words..
“To all my teacher friends – Good Luck this week! I am praying for you especially if you have my kids.”
So, looks like our Commerce Secretary is trying to stimulate the economy all by himself by hosting a demolition derby and forcing those fat cat insurance companies to pay for it!
That is funny. I think my daughter is getting my gson’s teacher something extra nice. I should probably pray for her also.
Thanks for sharing.
Teaching is a real crappy job to have this time of year.
Is it Constitutional for the Fed’s to tell a private company (I guess that is a person), that they have to provide certain services to anyone who comes through the door – and they cannot be denied based on ability to pay?
@Pat Herve
Very interesting question.
Personally, I don’t think that it is. There must be compensation from somewhere.
Pat, I love that question.
Rand Paul got taken to the woodshed from the biased elite media for that topic.
http://www.nationalreview.com/articles/229831/rand-pauls-civil-rights-act-comments-revisited/jonah-goldberg#
“And yet, when a very clearly nonracist libertarian politician merely raises the possibility — with admirable honesty and sincerity — that Goldwater might have been a teensy-weensy bit right to vote against the 1964 bill (Goldwater had voted consistently for civil-rights laws before then), it’s an outrage.
For the record, Paul and Goldwater were both wrong. The libertarian position is not to defend Jim Crow but to condemn it, and not just because of its unjust bigotry but because of its economic folly, which served to entrench that bigotry.
Paul weeps for the lost right of white businessmen to refuse black customers (even though he rejects the practice himself). But he fails to appreciate the perverse irony that one of Jim Crow’s greatest evils was its intrusion on the property rights of whites. Jim Crow wasn’t merely some “Southern tradition” undone by heroic good government. Jim Crow laws were imposed by government. And they banned white businessmen from serving blacks (Plessy v. Ferguson, which enshrined “separate but equal” in the Constitution for another six decades, was largely about how blacks could be treated on railroads).”
To the last part of your question – to me the idea of forcing me to admit someone without regard for ability to pay – is like if the government told me that I had to let someone come into my house and defecate on my carpet.
I see the right wingnuts in Virginia are following the lead of their cousins in North Carolina and using their clout to bypass science that doesn’t suit their narrative. NC passed a law that states agencies can only predict sea level rise by using past records, not future forecasts. The move was prompted in part by wealthy developers who saw the potential for their coastal development plans to go underwater both literally and figuratively. VA, on the other hand, banned the use of the words “sea level rise” and “climate change” in a state-sponsored study that looks at water from the ocean that is going up and marshy land that is going down (making Norfolk second only to New Orleans for flood potential). I guess next the NRA will force them to ban the use of the term “shot dead” and substitute “expired due to metallurgical intrusion.”
http://hamptonroads.com/2012/06/lawmakers-avoid-buzzwords-climate-change-bills
You are kidding. Who voted to allow us to be stupid?
Where is Steve Randolph? He is MIA. Vacation?
Anyone seen him?
City folk have been all MIA lately.
I see where they have a rather nasty situation to deal with. I am thinking that if these pedophiles thought they were going to be executed or have body parts removed, maybe they would stop doing what they do.
@Morris Davis
Since the climate modes that have been used have been proven to be faulty, to have been corrupted politically, or outright falsified, perhaps its best that they don’t use “future prediction,” since past predictions had most of us dead by global warming by now.
Is the sea level rising? Probably. At about 7 inches every 100 years. Sea level has been rising steadily, without major fluctuations, since 1850 or so, the end of the Little Ice age, from 1350 to 1850.
I do agree with you that banning words is stupid. But those terms have been corrupted because AGW cultists have used them without basis in science.
Horse crap. I am going to continue to say that and worse every single time I hear one of you all spouting horse crap.
THE climate modes that have been used have proven to be faulty? That is just hideous political bullshit. Stop saying that here. You are speaking as though every bit of scientific work done in the area is faulty or defective. That is simply not true and I will not allow this blog to be a conduit for spreading lies and scientific falsehoods.
If you specifically want to dispute some work that has been done you feel is wrong, fine, but to make blanket statements? No. Your political bullshit is going to kill us all in the end if we allow your kind of thinking to prevail. It was thinking like that that allowed Galileo to be placed under house arrest for the remaining part of his life.
How about political cultists denying that a phenomena exists? There is enough evidence out there to sink a battle ship, coming from all different sources. The question should not be whether a phenomena exists but how we are going to meet the challenges and changes that we need to make.
There are people out there who denied the moon landing. I never really believed they existed. Silly me.
I have to tell y’all, from a tech perspective, I see Apple losing its edge. I’m not saying that what they do, they don’t do well, and won’t continue to do well, but they’ve got a couple of important product lines that are getting WAY long in the tooth. I think their supernova status may have died with Steve Jobs. They’re still awesome, but not supernova awesome anymore.
Yup, VERY disappointed at the token Power Mac upgrades. iMac who? For better or for worse they’ve decided they’re going to be the mobile device company.
When will it get here? @cato
Full disclosure I *did* order my MacBook Pro w/Retina display this afternoon.
As long as “global warming” doesn’t rise as fast as us currency inflation — I think well be ok.
Call it whatever you want to call it. That science will continue to be assessed, reevaluated, like most science. Something is being added new to most science. Look at plate techtonics, look at paleo-anthropology. New data and new discoveries allow scientists to adjust and refine common accepted science frequently. I can’t stand treating science like it has a beginning and an end.
Anyone who has ever been to Glacier National Park would not buy some political bull crap. Science should never be political. Scientists are as competitive as it gets. I see no reason why any of them would collude with each other unless they were firm in their beliefs.
No one is a proponent of manmade global warming any more than people are pro abortion.
Can’t you see you have been bought and paid for by right wing politics? You are too smart for that. Meanwhile, do you trust your cult enough to buy long range investment property in Norfolk? I sure don’t.
@Moon-howler
Apparently you haven’t been following the recent developments vs the computer climate models. Notice that I did not say that the climate is not changing. I even agreed that the sea level may be rising. The temperature did rise and has done so since the end of the Little Ice Age. BUT, the reasons for the rise are not settled science. And even leading proponents of manmade global warming have stated that they have seen little change since 1998.
The computer models have not predicted accurately. The United Nations reports WERE fabricated. The science coming out of England, ie, Mann, was corrupted by politics.
All I said was that using past evidence was a better SCIENTIFIC method than using the assorted, varied, and so far, weak computer models that cannot reproduce actual climate events using their data. No where did I say that they should NOT investigate. And I agreed that banning words is stupid. Can one not demand BETTER science when investigating world wide matters whose possible solutions involve the bankrupting of entire industries and the reduction of living conditions?
If we are going to talk about global solutions, we had better get it right. Based upon the original UN climate report, if we did EVERYTHING that they had espoused, then we would have lowered the climate temp by ……1 or 2 degrees. That’s assuming that their model was right. So far that has not proven accurate.
In 2000, climate models stated that, in Europe, snow was going to be a thing of the past.
As late as 2009, Australia was supposed to be a a permanent drought.
An ice free arctic was predicted for 2012.
etc….
Manmade global warming proponents have made statements about fudging the data and scenarios so as to alarm people and advance their own agendas.
I’m all for investigating our climate. But lets use accurate data and the scientific method.
There are plenty of scientists that disagree with the man made global warming group. I keep using the term man made because that is the only type that we can supposedly affect. All other types, we have no affect on.
Our temperature is ALWAYS going up or down.
@Moon-howler
“unless they were firm in their beliefs.”
That’s just it. To some of them it is a BELIEF. They are fitting facts to fit a theory.
Also, they will collude to get funding. For years now, if you promote AGW, you get gov’t funding. Nowhere will you get funding if you state, “I’ve investigated. Everything seems ok. A little fluctuation here and there, but we actually don’t know enough about the climate to predict a single long range forecast.”
Science is NEVER settled. All I ask is that we all keep an open mind.
Science can sure be accepted though. Cargo, its the way you say things that brings out the bullcraps. Its because you have politicized science. I don’t care about the UN at the moment. I care about this American undercurrent that runs along conservative channnels that declares a whole bunch of crap about climate change. You and those who think like you do, about political “science” lay it down as though you held an advanced degree in climatology. Running along right next to you are the birthers, the truthers, the green cheesers, etc.
Now me? I don’t have enough of a science background to argue advanced ideas in climate change. so I have to stick to saying bull crap and the things I have seen as my answers. I don’t go around reading conservative political theory. Yawn. However, I am not going to let those of you who do grab hold of the discussion and just accept your “rightness” at the expense of future generations.
Statistical models must predict where things are going if they are going to be useful. Not looking at future models makes about as much sense as looking at where a hurricane has been and sending out rescue teams as opposed to looking at models where the hurricane might be going and moving as many people out of the line of fine as you can.
Let’s not always want to send in the clowns. I don’t want that kind of talk here. It is dangerous to ignore Mother Nature. I am also not sounding an alarm to some false prophet out there who wants to round up all your ….whatever it is that you feel is being threatened.
When there is a 13″ Air with a Retina Display, I’ll do it.