This was an easy one. How do you feel about the ruling? No spouting law.(unless you have passed the bar in some state.) Yawn. How do you feel?
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Why is Justice Thomas being n-worded? Is the W word being thrown at Scalia? About the J word? Anyone qualified there? How about the M word at Kennedy?
You can link it here. I like watching conservatives misbehave. Let’s face it, it wasn;t fair for Obama to be getting all the action in the N word department. Its nice of thomas to share the wealth.
Wait, I am confused by who is calling names? Which naughty side?
@Need to Know
But when the money you paid in is spent…then its an entitlement program.
How long should the benefits last? Perhaps we need to reform the idea. Though I don’t know how.
@Cargo, I figured there was a catch. All this is easier said than done.
There are all sorts of gimmicks.
Are you planning on turning down medicare and social security?
@Moon-howler
The LEFT is calling him names.
http://twitchy.com/2012/06/28/justice-thomas-dissents-left-hurls-vile-racial-slurs-house-nigga-uncle-tom/
Funny how the other dissenters don’t get this hostility. Is it because the left believes that because he’s black that any dissent is betrayal? That he should stay on the Democratic plantation and bow down to the Democratic narrative that black people can’t be conservative?
Weird. I could see attacks on ALL the dissenters, but, even then…why? The left won.
Because there are stupid people out there? Just a guess.
That’s pretty much what AHC does….supplement the programs. It doesn’t do much to change things for you or me.
Plenty of people who are foreign born and non citizens have every right to be here. I believe we call them legal residents or foreign nationals. They pay taxes, and do all the things the rest of us do. Why aren’t they entitled to use the health care system if they pay in?
Why are we dismissing millions of Americans? Even if you pull off that 20% who might be illegal immigrants, We are still talking about 35-40 million people. That is a huge huge amount of people.
Throwing out percents to not make the numbers real only flies if you want those people to become invisible. Cargo and my son are not invisible people and they are very representative of the population.
Decent health care is expensive. I have compared enough costs and plans around the country with people to know that there is no free lunch. It isn’t just people who don’t give a crap. Yes, there are some people who I feel have sponged. But there are a lot of folks out there who simply cannot afford it.
Ok, I have an answer for you….why would you quote a few jackasses or read an online blog that just wants to stir you up? Those fools don’t speak for the left any more than some ahole bubba speaks for the right. Having a computer doesn’t make anyone any smarter or give them any class.
I want to go read that other opinion about the false military service. I guess it depends of what they get for it….when does it become fraud?
Here’s a study from HHS breaking down the uninsured:
http://aspe.hhs.gov/health/reports/05/uninsured-cps/index.htm
About a quarter are unemployed (see my comment above about augmenting unemployment benefits).
About twenty percent are foreign-born, non-citizens. Sorry, but I’m not paying for them.
About three-quarters are low-income people working full or part-time who can’t afford the insurance. The percentages don’t add up because there’s overlap in categories. Let’s talk about a subsidy to help these people afford health insurance. For those who think I lack compassion, I would support fully implementing that sort of program. It would solve the problem, avoid creating more government, and cost far, far less.
@Cargosquid
If you paid premiums for unemployment insurance, home-owners insurance, etc. you are “entitled” to the benefits if you need them.
I know that $150 can seem like a lot per month for health care coverage, but really, it’s not going to get much better than that!!! $150/month is a I Phone monthly payment with internet and a dinner for two out per month. I’m not saying that every single uninsured person has an IPhone they are paying for, but I would bet a lot of them do based on the sales. People have to prioritize and make health insurance a priority, not an optional luxury. If you have a serious issue, you will really be screwed and $150/month would have been a bargain.
I agree but I don’t know of any decent insurance to be had for that small amount of money.
@TWINAD
150 bucks is NOT a lot.
Just have to find it.
You wont find it and have it be a policy that is worth you having. Now that AHC has been upheld, you shouldn’t have a problem. When does it kick in for people in your situation? Or should I say, when should you be able to find an affordable plan? Is squiddette on your wife’s plan?
@Moon-howler
Moon, I plan to collect every penny of Medicare and Social Security I can. I’ve been paying into those programs for over thirty years and have more than paid for the benefits. Social Security is supposed to be a retirement savings plan. I, and everyone else, should receive an actuarily-determined benefit based on what we’ve paid in. Medicare is a government-sponsored health insurance program and I’ve been pre-paying for those benefits for over thirty years.
It actually only takes about 8-10 years for most people to college everything they put into social security. Strange. I don’t blame you. Will Cargo take those entitlements? He was the one complaining about them. I agree about taking them. I paid in my entire life. No guilt here.
You will pay more once the day of reckoning comes with medicare.
Since we’re now being taxed for breathing without health insurance, I wonder what else we can be taxed for…. NOT buying a chevy volt? Not putting solar panels on the house? Not buying vegetables?
I know! Since the right to keep and bear arms is actually part of the Constitution and being part of the militia is a responsibility…. you can buy a firearm or be taxed to make up for the rest of us having to pay for your lack of responsibility for the collective security.
@Cargosquid
And the right wingnuts are calling CJ Roberts a traitor and frothing at the mouth about impeachment. Brett Baier on Fox suggested the whole health care thing could be traced back to W because he was the one who chose Roberts for the SCt. You don’t often hear Fox taking up the blame Bush argument.
http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0612/77947.html
Moe and Cargo,
Like I said, dumb asses on both sides.
Thanks for finding that, Moe. Cargo seems to think that the liberals own all the fools.
@Morris Davis
But… they are attacking him for “selling out” and siding with the left. The left won. Why are they attacking the “loser?”
And why are the insults racist instead of attacks only on his actions? I thought that the left was all about “civility.”
Cargo–believe that civility crap and I have a bridge for sale. Why would you think that?
Listen carefully–a few dumb asses said stupid things. Your “side”, the WE you refer to don’t own all the dumb asses. The left …aka THEIR side own a few of their own. There are stupid things said all over the blogosphere all day long, every day. It isn’t the end of the world.
You are reading something that 3 people said and branding everyone one from moderate to liberal. You don’t want me to start doing that do you? It gets ugly real fast.
When people calm down hopefully they’ll realize Roberts was playing chess here.
@Cato the Elder
Also, the Supreme Court did not rule on whether Obamacare is good or bad. Their function is only to determine whether it is or isn’t constitutional. They did that and we have to live with the outcome, like it or not.
The Supreme Court decision throws the matter back into the political realm. Off to the polls in November!
I don’t think anyone really gives a rat’s ass what they think. It is also fairly untested. If it ends up like medicare it will be wildly popular.
Not to be on a soap box but there are people who cannot quit jobs because of pre existing illnesses. They will be on their own without AHC. There are people who cannot get coverage at work because of pre existing conditions. There are people who have mexed out on life time coverage.
The freaking insurance companies have been raping and pillaging the people for years. Time to tame them. Who is going to be boo hooing that they want to be raped and to let the insurance companies continue to do so at the expense of the people.
@Cato the Elder
However, the unintended consequence is that Congress has the power to tax us for anything, including actions….or lack of actions. Its not a “penalty,” just a tax.
The power to tax is the power to destroy.
Congressional elections are going to get MUCH uglier now that this power has been declared Constitutional.
@Moon-howler
Um…we’re taming them by forcing people to buy insurance?
Also, when policies are dropped…then what?
And the penal…tax for not buying insurance is cheaper in the first few years. So healthy people will just pay the pen…um, tax. Sick people will get on the insurance rolls. Why get insurance if you don’t need it and can get on it at any time.
Insurance companies will drop policies and even go out of business.
Who benefits?
@Cargo, that is what they are trying to do…get everyone on whether they need it or not. You are better off not needing it.
NO one is going out of business.
Roberts was playing politics. He used this to make a statement against the Commerce Clause, while throwing this back into the faces of the politicians. So, I’m agreeing.
One opinion with 8 dissenters.
The opinion that the Commerce clause could not be used could also have been written if Roberts had joined with the dissenters.
I predict that if we don’t repeal this, the medical insurance industry tanks and we end up with “universal” gov’t run health care.
I’m just taking President Obama’s words at face value. He stated that this was his goal during the ACR debates.
Maybe they could start by not paying their cEO’s 10 million pbucks a year.
I see no reason for it to tank.
You know how insurance works.
If only sick people are on insurance…its not insurance. They WILL be paying more than they take in.
As for CEO salaries…what’s the problem if those CEO’s do their jobs to the satisfaction of the shareholders?
@Cargo, and thats why there was a personal mandate….so that wouldn’t happen.
What’s the problem with them getting 10 million? As someone who helped pay that person’s salary…I resent like hell that that 10 nillion dollars is going for salaries rathre than to pay people’s insurance. Sorry, I kept up with all those increases over the years. I have a say.
You don’t mind giving people more than they deserve. I do.
“As president, Mitt will nominate judges in the mold of Chief Justice Roberts.”
From the Romney campaign website: http://www.mittromney.com/issues/courts-constitution
Bwaaahahahahahahhahahahahah Leave it to Mitt to slide down the wrong slippery slope. LOL LOL LOL
too funny.
@Morris Davis
That’s not unexpected. Better Roberts than Ginsburg, Sotomayor, or Kagan.
@Moon-howler
Who decides what a CEO deserves? The stockholders.
You want an improved, cheaper market for health insurance? Deregulate the market. Let purchases be nationwide. Let the market decide whats in the policies.
You want someone else to pay for your health care? Universal care.
One side…the market and improvement in health care..
the other….look at the British
Cargo, I am going to scream. You simply don’t know what you are talking about. I have seen the market deregalated. The patient is who got screwed. Policies have been VERY degregulated. Get a grip.
Sorry, deregulation isn’t the answer to everything.
CEO’s-do you really think that is how it works? Most stock holders are so far removed from that kind of operation.
Most Brits love their health care. They are proud of it and don’t mind paying the equivalent of $7 bucks a gal of gas to get it.
I think the NHC has gotten a little off track lately. Maybe they need to tweak it. It still doesn’t mean that brits dont love it.
@Moon-howler
If could get all my money back and invest it myself…yes.
But MY money has been wasted. I want MY money back.
I’m working towards the privatization of both. I don’t believe that we’ll have either in 15 years, if our fed’l spending continues as is. And ACR is just going to accelerate our bankruptcy.
If you could reinvest all your money you would have lost half of it in 2008. Having said that….I don’t know which money you want back. FICA? Social Security?
I just realized that we’re saved. IF Romney is elected.
President Romney can just tell the IRS to utilize “prosecutorial discretion” and not enforce the collection of this tax. It would be the right thing to do.
The Supreme Court, the Congress and the President have all spoken. “Obamacare” is the law of the land and must be respected. Today was a great day for our country.
Obama should be horrified and despondent. This is terrible.
http://youtu.be/Wzs3aoRnl0E
At a Campaign rally in 2008, Obama said that health care should not purchased with a tax increase (October 4, 2008).
It isn’t being purchased with a tax increwase on the middle class.
@Starryflights
Will you be as accepting if Romney and Congress repeals it?
I will not.
@Starryflights
Correct. It is. The law of the land part at least. The great day in our country is subjective especially if your part of the low income people that just got donut holed by the ruling.
I am very content that the Commerce Clause angle was found unconstitutional. I figured that as a tax it would pass. That makes sense. I’m happy.
I agree above with Cato.
There is a long game here but also as Cargo’s link put very clear — we would not be in this place if Republicans had compromised.
And, I already hear people talking about taxing abortions to the point where they are unaffordable…. After all such a law would be consitutional.
“Conservatives say the government cannot and should not require people
to buy health insurance. The trouble is that government can and does require
hospitals to treat people who don’t have health insurance and who can’t pay.”
The Atlantic (2012 July/August)
The 1986 Emergency Medical Treatment and Active Labor Law cost America’s
health care system billions of dollars, with no small part due to “free riders” who
could have bought insurance but didn’t. When Gov. of Mass., Romney cited
this as a reason to pass Romneycare.
HEY! There’s a contempt vote going on. Go check out CSPAN.
@Moon-howler
I’ve lost all of my money if gov’t continues the way it is.
And who says I would have lost all of my money…..I could have bought gold in 2003.
@Moon-howler
It was just released that 130000 elderly were put on the “death track” so as to save costs. That regime means that those on that tract are witheld all care except minor alleviation of discomfort. Some of those were perfectly able to recover when this was discovered and returned to normal care.
And the Brits have no choice but “to love it.” They have no other system.
This isn’t over.
“The court ruled that Congress’ threat to yank away all of a state’s Medicaid
funding unless they cooperated was unconstitutionally coercive.
The ruling could open all sorts of federal programs that rely on
state cooperation.”
The Atlantic
AG Cooch, once his knees stopped jerking when the decision first came out
and he actually read the decision, calmed down due, in large part, to this.
@Steve Randolph
You mean…the drinking age can be returned to 18? Louisiana was told to raise it or lose highway funds…… 🙂
@Moon-howler
The penalty is a tax. Thus….tax increase.
People will be taxed for doing….nothing.
Sarah Palin is thinking god for the Supreme Court now. It will get out the vote in November.
Heads you win, tails you win.
Now, Cargo, who just released that 130,000 were put on the death track?
Do you believe everything you read? Do you suppose they were dying anyway and might be in hospice? Usually the patient consents to hospice.
You have no other choice than to love Obamacare. So….do you? Are you puckering up yet?
That death track is so unverifiable. How about a few facts and tracers on that one?Which country are we even talking about?
@Cargosquid
It hasnt even been established how that will work. It is just able to be worked out through that system . Let’s not borrow problems. And so what if someone gets a tax. If you speed you get taxed (fined). If you park too long you get taxed. (fined) If you build a deck, you get taxed. (pay for a permit) Yawn.
and when your insurance company decides what is proper treatment, and what they will pay for – is that not rationing. And what about lifetime caps – why are insurance companies allowed to arbitrarily create a lifetime cap on your healthcare?
I am not looking for a handout, just fairness, and if I get sick, I want to know that I have a plan in place and not be looking at bankruptcy for my family.
The Death Panels – someone, I hope not I, does need to address the costs of healthcare in the last 2 years of life. There are those that want every path explored in order to extend life beyond God’s wishes. Often times, it turns into a miserable existence, that no one would want to live through. The quality of life for the last few months in not life at all.
November suddenly got much more exciting today, now that the largest tax increase on the middle class in history has been upheld. This is going to get very, very interesting.
Emma, don’t you think that is a really dishonest thing to say? Why would the middle class get a tax increase? You are pulling that one out of thin air.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2161869/Top-doctors-chilling-claim-The-NHS-kills-130-000-elderly-patients-year.html
NHS doctors are prematurely ending the lives of thousands of elderly hospital patients because they are difficult to manage or to free up beds, a senior consultant claimed yesterday.
Professor Patrick Pullicino said doctors had turned the use of a controversial ‘death pathway’ into the equivalent of euthanasia of the elderly.
He claimed there was often a lack of clear evidence for initiating the Liverpool Care Pathway, a method of looking after terminally ill patients that is used in hospitals across the country.
And you believe this on one person’s say so? What if he was a Bob Marshall type?
You are aware that there are people who go into hospice and also people that believe very much in euthanasia?
If people are terminally ill, what does this dude thing that means?
@Pat Herve
I actually agree that insurance reform is needed. And since reform is needed, putting MORE people onto insurance is supposed to do…..what?
@Moon-howler
But those fines are for actions, breaking rules. These taxes are for existing.
No action necessary.
Hmmmm… according to Cuccinelli and Bachmann, we won’t have to worry about needing a filibuster proof vote to repeal….just 50 + 1 votes.
Could be any number of reasons. Of course…its now a tax bill….those have to start in the HOUSE. This bill was constructed in the Senate…..hmmmm….but then some magic reconciliation happened…..but either way….its still a tax bill…which means that it can’t be filibustered, either to pass or repeal.
But…you know what…after that clusterf### interpretation by Roberts, I’m more worried about the unintended consequences of Roberts using weird logic, rewriting the law, and expanding the taxation powers, just so he could uphold this. ACR? Heck that’s now small potatoes. Even if its repealed, we are royally, immensely, horribly screwed.
NOW its Constitutional to tax us because we NOT doing something that Congress wants done. All because Roberts decided that a penalty….invented, written, marketed as a penalty, was suddenly called a tax in contradiction to the actual bill, and so he twisted the logic to call it a tax….so we can now just be taxed for NOT doing something….but its not a penalty….to force us to do something. Because the IRS won’t penalize us for not paying taxes…right? Its just a tax to NOT force us…but “nudge” us in the right direction.
@Moon-howler
That Brit doctor is stating that they are putting NON-terminally ill patients on that “pathway” because they are difficult to treat, expensive, etc.
I covered this back in 2009.
http://unitedconservatives.blogspot.com/2009/09/tick-box-medicine.html
@Cargosquid
But nothing has changed. The only change is what something is called. I wouldn’t blame the prez for that.
@Cargosquid
So the Brits are ok with this? Somehow I would doubt that happen. I think the Brits would howl if that was going on. If something seems hard to believe, it probably shouldn’t be.
Do you trust the Brit press? Did you have it verified elsewhere?
I guess I am sitting here wondering why you are fighting something so hard that would be valuable to you.
Today’s biggest surprise to me today was that people on this blog just dismissed the fact that 45 million people were without health care coverage. There was no translation of 17% into human terms. To me, 45 million people is huge.
Has anyone, and I mean anyone, read all 3000 pages of the bill? Will Nancy P now read the bill and tell us what’s in it? That statement of hers, if not the most idiotic, sums up the process by which the bill was passed fairly well. THAT should be held unconstitutional!
SA, that was one of the gripes with Hillary care also. I guess there are 50 states and 50 different ways of administering medicaid. I believe I read where that was what packed the volume onto that document. I don’t think it is anything sneaky, just 50 is…well…50….each with its own rules.
Maybe if that was explained better or packaged better, people would have a better attitude. How could the average person have anything but fear over a bill that is 3000 pages long? I will have to say that the Democrats really fell short on selling a program. It should have been sold daily…Features/advantages/benefits.
There is a lot of good in that huge bill. It was up to the Democrats to sell it and make us like it. they fell real short.
They can’t tell you what’s in it because huge parts of it are dependent upon the Secretary of health WRITING key parts as needed. They wrote it so that nothing can come back on Congress. Its all regulations, not law.
If you want to get a better idea of what this is all about go to: healthcare.gov