I am appalled that any elected official would speak down from the dais in such a nasty tone to a private citizen. This man, Jeff Bergman, was polite and was simply voicing his opinion. He insulted no one. He expressed his concern and his wishes for his community. He spoke as a resident and a father. For his efforts he was bellowed at, insulted and berated by our elected chairman.
NO private citizen should be afraid to speak for fear of being publically upbraided by Corey Stewart. Corey, you owe this man an apology! He was there to let the BOCS know his community’s feelings about the Catharpin Park. He was polite and respectful. He was treated rudely.
I also expect you probably don’t care more for the park site being discussed than anyone else in the county. You were an obnoxious, bloviating, blowhard drama-queen who owes Jeff Bergman, the gentleman who spoke, an apology as well as the entire Gainesville District an apology.
Learn some manners. We don’t talk to each other like that here in Prince William County. This is still the South, son.
No one here is your whipping boy. SDASTFU!
I thought it was the board policy NOT to address citizens during Citizens’ Time. How lovely, the rules have changed once again. Eagerly awaiting Moon’s call to play the clip.
This is hilarious, actually. Corey says, “Let me make this perfectly clear,” which is exactly what Richard Nixon said when he became indignant about people questioning things he had done. Of course, Corey and Nixon both lied about what they did. No one with an IQ above room temperature doubts that “nixing” Catharpin Park was a retaliatory measure against Pete Candland laid out by Stewart and Nohe.
Vindictiveness toward citizens who oppose them is another trait shared by Corey and Nixon. Look how hateful Corey is toward that poor guy who is just trying to state his opinion. Backroom wheeling and dealing with campaign donors, ditto.
Corey – please remember that none of this worked out very well for Nixon. I hope you reconsider who you chose for role models.
“It is in vain, sir, to extenuate the matter. Gentlemen may cry, Peace, Peace – but there is no peace. The war is actually begun! The next gale that sweeps from the north will bring to our ears the clash of resounding arms! Our brethren are already in the field! Why stand we here idle? What is it that gentlemen wish? What would they have? Is life so dear, or peace so sweet, as to be purchased at the price of chains and slavery? Forbid it, Almighty God! I know not what course others may take; but as for me, give me liberty or give me death!” YOU YANKEE RAT BASTARD.
@Chris
Your are correct. Here’s is another trait that Corey shares with Nixon – the mentality that the rules that apply to everyone else don’t apply to you. You can pick and chose which which laws and rules you want to follow because you are, afterall, the president. Er, sorry, the Chairman of the Board of Supervisors.
COREY!!!!!! smdh
UFB!!! I honestly can NOT belivieve you would speak to a citizen that pays your part-time salary that way. BTW-The park land belongs to we the people and our opinions very much matter.
Now, I know you are history buff. So, I really think you should brush up on your knowledge of county history. There has been a need for more fields for decades. However, the county has failed horribly at keeping pace with our growth. When will PW ever learn to quit putting the cart before the horse.
@The Derecho
Oh dear God, please warn me! I am hysterical!!!!!!
“You yankee rat bastard” did me in. It did my computer screen it. I am howling over here!!!!
You read my mind!!
Corey tried an idignant Chris Christie move, looks like he’s trying out his best persona to put forth as he runs for LG. He is such a vacuous servant of the public, its sad.
Imagine the audicity of citizen to accuse the Board of using the purse strings of the county for “political play”. Let me count the ways that board members horse trade, it’s simply how politics works, no matter how small, its called logrolling.
log·roll·ing (lôgrlng, lg-)
n.
1. The exchanging of political favors, especially the trading of influence or votes among legislators to achieve passage of projects that are of interest to one another.
I don’t know that the defunding Catharpin Park was payback, in my opinion, it doesn’t matter. Jeff Bergman was not yelling, unlike Corey, did not speak in a rude manner, unlike Corey, and has every right not to expect to be castigated by his elected Chairman. How many times have I stood at that podium accusing certain supervisors of being a tool for developers? More than I can count! Corey is lucky he didn’t do that to a more seasoned citizen activist, THAT would have been a real show!
@Herman Toad
I couldn’t agree more on the reliation against Peter. Sadly, those that chose to lead that movement failed to realize, it was the citizens that they actually retaliated against. This pisses me off royally. Our board seems to rake in the dough from developers. Why are they NOT asking their developer buddies to kick in some cash and/or land for parks and schools. Oh that’s right, they want the money for THEIR campaign coffers, not to address actual community concerns.
@The Derecho
Moon and I were both howling.
Chris,
Corey could care less about the truth. He wouldn’t know facts, no would he care, if they hit him over the head. He is in campaign mode and can’t have a citizen making him look the fool. He’d rather do that all on his own 😉
The reality is that the East does need parks. Maybe if he suggested taking out all the carryover money for non profits, he could work with Mike on purchasing piece of land in the Occoquan district that is perfect for a park! I know there was such a piece of land but not sure if it’s still available.
“Corey is lucky he didn’t do that to a more seasoned citizen activist”
Corey may be dumb but he’s not that dumb, I can think of a few who had they been on the receiving end would have fired back from the audience and at least one who likely would have had to be physically escorted out.
I remember the night that Mr. Wills was threatened and Corey called for a police escort.
What a kitty kat!
It seems to me that the county ought to stop throwing good money after bad and scrap the war museum plans. That area could hold a few sports fields. Or…hit up the Hiltons for a little more useless land that can’t be developed.
If we took the money that the War Museum wants and Rainbow Riding wants, we would have some fine athletic fields in both places. The fields would serve many more county residents.
I was there that night. I will never forget it. I can think of more examples. I’ll have to work on diggin up some pictures/links to verify the rules changing.
Just a little reminder about the history of Catharpin(formerly known as sudley park)Park. The land was profferd in a very large rezoning for the Braemar Develpment, thousands of homes located on the Linton Hall Corrider. Anyone know when that was? I’ll tell you 1998. Almost a decade and a half later it still sits, unable to be used. THIS is what is wrong with this county and it hasn’t changed! Proffers that are useless to citizens.
Moon, your comment demonstrates why I say this county has not changed. Was there a citizens survery for a war museum, NO, but there was one for parks and open space. And guess what, citizens actually said they WANTED those things. The Hyltons traded a piece of land in a rezoning that included more houses than they should have been allowed. Now we are stuck with a “museum” we can’t fund while parks and rec continues to be underfunded!
Wasn’t that the land the park that Ed Willbourn wanted to put in?
Getting the developers to pitch in for the parks will never happen. They consider their campaign contributions to Stewart, Nohe, Covington, etc. as paid in full for the services they want.
Mr. Bergman was not aware that the only way to get the Board to support what he wants is to arrange with a developer to exploit his kids, and those of the other parents in his organization, as stooges to help a developer get something they want, and parade the kids through the public hearing.
@Herman Toad
Agreed. I can dream of a “perfect world”…can’t I? 🙂
Yes Moon it was that land. Ed’s development company used the land to dump construction dirt and debris from other projects.
Isn’t that totally PWC? A developer uses a property as a dump then hands it over to the county with a shiny red bow as a beautiful gift wrapped park proffer in return for the county letting them build thousands of homes. The supervisors orate about how incredible this developer is and all that they are doing for the little kiddies with this generous park proffer and almost 20 years later, it still isn’t a completed park.
@Queen of Hearts
Sounds like the Hyltons’ “generous” donation of the useless land in Dale City for the Wartime Museum that they no longer have to pay property tax on.
@Queen
I thought that was the same park. Lots of dumping in the Gainesville District. There was lots of dumping of dirt and debris at Silver Lake also. No one seemed to know who it was, even though Elena flagged down one of the trucks that was getting huge amounts of dirt all over Antioche Road. The source of the dirt still is a mystery. It could be radioactive for all we know.
Silver Lake still does not have trash cans and you can’t get to the main picnic area. Some gem! More like a lump of coal.
@Queen of Hearts
WestGate and LochLomond’s “builder trash dump” recently got a cell tower on Park Authority land. Oh and that builder dump…Compliments of the Hylton’s.
The Derecho has a great history lesson posted for Corey about one famous Virginian, Patrick Henry.
Corey, take heed. If you want to represent Virginia, learn its history and what we value and revere.
http://thederecho.blogspot.com/
H/T Derecho!
@Herman Toad
NO kidding. That “gift” was so transparent. I expect it probably was unsuitable for playing fields. Lord knows what’s under there.
And the NERVE of this citizen, Jeff Bergman, to question the motives of Board members! How dare he! What’s next? Maybe Corey will challenge the next citizen who dares to come before the Board with a process complaint to a duel for impugning his character 🙂
who needs fictional TV when you have this stuff to watch!
If I recall correctly, there was an issue with developing Catharpin/Sudley due to the debris that was unearthed during the actual development of the land for fields.
I would like to remind Corey that yesterday I was defending him.
I guess he couldn’t stand that thought and had to undo it all. Right back to ground zero….I am totally disgusted with his behavior.
He was rude, crude, and socially unattractive. He also needs to learn his Virginia history.
He also needs to learn his Virginia history.
It makes it “perfectly clear” he did NOT attend 4th grade here in The Commonwealth. And once upon a time we were taught PWC history too. I sure wish I had a copy of the book for Corey. Actually both the Va History and PW History books.
Anyone that has attended Va. Public Schools knows exactly what I’m talking about.
Yup, I sure do. 4th and 7th grades. My grandfather was actually in the 7th grade history one because of Staunton.
You know you can buy old text books…..hmmmmm…does Corey need a gift?
PS my rather dignified grandfather would roll over in his grave to know that he is Grandpa Howler.
@Chris
Agreed that Corey needs to learn some Virginia and move beyond his carpet-bagger ways. I have ancestors who fought for Virginia during the Revolutionary War. They would be appalled at what Corey does, and even more so at the fact that he wants to be our LG.
I expect mine would run him to Canada. I have Revolutionary War relatives of both ilks.
typo – some Virginia history
Corey is lucky that Mr. Bergman didn’t pull him right off that dais and thrash him for his insulence. Who does Stewart think he is to address constituents in that manner?!!
@Moon-howler
He should probably take the French Canadian with him as well.
LMAO!!! Sounds like a new form of “county clean-up” to me. 🙂
Corey’s political career might be winding down. Did you notice how many Republicans jumped into race just after Candland called him and the other supervisors on discretionary funds, and Corey and Nohe engineered the retaliation? Every active Republican in the state knows what he did regardless of how mercilessly he berates somebody speaking at citizens time.
He’ll be vulnerable in PWC in 2015 also. Even if another Republican can’t beat him for the nomination, the Democrats can easily take him out this point with the right candidate.
Another thing that’s been bothering me about that meeting Tuesday – Covington abstained from the vote having something or another to do with Toyota because of a conflict of interest. Corey is an international trade lawyer and Toyota is one of his biggest clients. Why didn’t he abstain also?
Maybe he still doesn’t represent them. I hear he is independent now.
I am glad to see the Wally is paying closer attention to conflict of interest issues.
@Herman Toad
Wally should abstain on votes donating money to the Reinbow Riding Center too. Since when did he become such an Honest Abe. Or any of them for that matter. I guess when it suit them, they abstain.
Man what a reality show could be done here in PWC. 🙄
@Moon-howler
He is an independent attorney now, but last I heard Toyota was still one of, or the biggest client he represents. It would be great if he would clairfy this.
Regarding Wally, maybe he’s trying to build some credibility on these votes where his vote doesn’t matter anyway, so he has more room to manuever on things like Rainbow Riding.
Sorry for the cynicism, but this is Prince William County.
Perhaps this new found fidelity to ethical conduct by Mr. Covington is tied to the statements made by Supervisor Candland several weeks ago that he was going to put in a motion for a conflict of interest policy (among others).
As an attorney, I am certain Mr. Covington did not need any reminders about conflicts — or did he?
The Sheriff
Welcome Gypsy. Good to see you back Sheriff, Queen and Herman.
I can’t figure out why Corey performed so rudely yesterday. Does he just act without thinking? He must. What did he think would be the reaction?
Does he think tough guy bully is the way to a Virginian’s heart? He needs to take that bully behavior to New Jersey and impress Chris Christie. The true mark of a Virginian is to be able to tell you to go to Hell using wonderful manners and smiling all awhile…and never saying the word “Hell.”
Corey just proved he was a carpetbagger. That’s all. That was definitely bushwacker behavior.
Good analysis, Sheriff. I always enjoy reading your blog and looking at the illustrations.
Making comments…not so much. Bad vision.
Corey, I think it is unanimous, you just won the horse’s ass award. Where ARE my pictures. As soon as Al chimes in, I think we can have your coronation, Corey.
http://s22.photobucket.com/albums/b314/tmcatee/?action=view¤t=Horses_ass_1.jpg
I want to say something real badly but I won’t….
Dedicated to Corey–Woolly Bully Supervisor
Matty told Hatty
About a thing she saw
Had two big horns
And a woolly jaw
Woolly bully-woolly bully-woolly bully
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Gypsy, decades back there was the case of a couple of Supervisors first arguing at the dias and then the brawl between them occured in the parking lot. Not sure of the exact year; just have heard the tale. Yes, would have been something if history had repeated itself in a similar fashion….LOL!
HI Ray,
when was that? Do you know their names?
@The Derecho
Why stop someone who’s making a fool of himself? Trying to “fire back” in that situation would be playing into the hands of the fool.
There was a similar situation in one of your neighboring communities a few years back.
Before the discussion of the formal agenda, anyone is allowed three minutes to speak about anything not on the agenda. This particular speaker said something one council member disliked and interrupted, very rudely. The council member made a total fool of hemself, which didn’t further his political career in the least. Maybe this’ll happen to Corey Stewart!
I believe I recall that incident. I think I might have covered that situation here, complete with video. It featured a very brave vintage lady who didn’t give up either. She stared the rude pig down as I recall.
@punchak
I think it was the late 60’s or early 70’s and involved the 4 Horsemen as they were called. There was a punch thrown by either the Gainesville or the Brentsville supervisor but I don’t remember who was on the receiving end.
Queen, Oh I remember the 4 HOrsement well. They lived up to their name. I just can’t remember their real names!
I also remember the school board member who thought he ran Stonewall Jackson. That was after the 4 horsemen.
Now historians….let’s try to remember the real names of the 4 horsemen. Is there any location where there is an archive of past supervisors?
I vaguely remember the fisticuffs but I don’t remember who. I thought the 4 horsemen hung together.
Sheriff, if you are reading, will you sick your birdies on the story?
The Horsemen go back far enough that Manassas was still a town. Spopme of you historians can help out also. Steve!! We need your help!
My thanks to Queen of Hearts for answering the question Moon asked me back at #49.
Now as for past Supervisors – yup, you can find the info over at RELIC. But I do have a document from July 19, 1977 (BOCS Letterhead) with BOCS of that year so here goes if it will help:
Alice Humphries – Chairman
Donald L. White – Vice Chairman
James Byrd
Andrew J. Donnelly
James J. McCoart
Kathleen Seefeldt
T.Clay Wood
and one more from a month prior – June 14, 1977 with the list of:
Kathleen Seefeldt – Chairman
Donald White – Vice Chairman
Donald Kidwell
James J. McCoart
G. Richard Pfitzner
Joseph D. Reading
Elieen M. Stout
I guess rollover from a May election was change of names in July? That aside, hope this jogs some folks memories as to the 4 Horsemen.
I think that 1977 date is too late.
Ok, We know most of these folks. Kathleen and Elieen aren’t horsemen. Don White was very much the gentleman. T. Clay Wood. Maybe a hold over. McCoart and Pfitner…I don’t think so. I think we need to go back to like 1971 or 72 to get to the horsemen.
Mr. Baggley was a supervisor then and he was NOT a horseman. I also mentally merge the school board and the supervisors. Things were different then. I am trying to remember Donald Kidwell and Andrew Donnelly.
Who was the guy who thought he would run SJHS. Chris? You or your mom would know. big guy and he had a red sports car and had everyone cowering there for a while. Late 70s early 80s. Lived out in Gainesville I think. Maybe his name was Michael.