UPDATE: See comment #39 about Pete Candland’s staffer.
The dog days are here for sure. No relief in sight from the heat and the F word has come to town. (F word = FAIR in Moon-ese)
Manassas is cleaning up after all the big political activity. Will Prince William be getting any of the action? Who pays for all of that? Will the campaign reimburse the City for the extra police efforts and the work of municipal employees?
Was PWC ever reimbursed for the 3 events in 2008?
The Olympics are over. Congratulations to Team USA. What a performance!!! The Republican VP candidate has been chosen. Manassas is in clean up mode. The BOCS is in a holding pattern. Is there really any news? You tell us.
The Romney campaign paid the city’s costs, according to Andy Harrover. There’s also a LOVE & politics apology by the editor of the News & Messenger. City of Manassas, lookin’ good.
http://www2.insidenova.com/news/2012/aug/11/5/letter-editor-love-and-politics-ar-2124430/
So who drew the larger crowd, Obama in Fairfax or Romney in Manassas?
Who was supposed to? I didn’t count, did you? What difference does it make?
What will be important is how many people come out to vote.
I just made a call and the county was not reimbursed for the Obama or McCain events in 2008.
I hope the City isn’t holding its breath either. I think the county had to eat a couple hundred grand but I am not sure. Somewhere in the back of my mind that figure is sticking.
I think maybe the cost for Obama and McCain was $150,000 to the county.
Those campaigns ought to have to foot the bill. How can they just swoop into a town and saddle communities with bills like that?
It makes some of the things we have all be fighting over look pretty stupid. Not is no small chump change.
What do the really strapped communities do–those places with 40% unemployment?
I don’t have any news to report. I stubbed my toe yesterday, but I’m going to go out on a limb and say that that is not news to anyone other than my long suffering beloved husband who has to listen to me complain about my toe.
We wish you and that toe a speedy recovery, Kim. Nothing hurts worse than extremities alike wounded toes and fingers!!!
@Moon-howler
Moon, the City was reimbursed by the Romney campaign for the overtime etc per our fearless Vice Mayor!
Please breathe now 🙂
You are telling me that they just pulled out a check and handed it to him? How on earth was that even calculated that fast?
I am not holding my breath…like I said.
I heard this morning on tV something I had not thought about. If Romney and Ryan win this election, for the first time in the history of the country there will not be a protestant as either president or vice president. There are also no protestants on the Supreme Court.
Are we a dying breed or what?
A Mormon, two Catholics and an agnostic/atheist …… Well we began with Deists…..So we’ve moved toward Christianity..ooops. I forgot according to some Catholics aren’t Christian and neither are Mormans…guess were back to the founding fathers…. Isn’t it interesting.
Who is the agnostic/atheist?
I think the deists pretended to be Anglican back when.
What some think is irrelevant. I have heard why Mormons supposedly aren’t Christian (I dont agree however) but for the life of me, what would the justification be for cutting Catholics out of Christianity? THIS I have to hear.
Don’t leave out the fake muslim.
Sandy Weill, the man responsible for the Gramm-Leach-Bliley Act in 1999 that effectively repealed the Glass-Steagall Act of 1933 is now calling for Glass-Steagall to be brought back, to break up the “too big to fail” banks, and for other financial reforms. This is like the Captain of the Titanic saying that in retrospect icebergs probably really were something we have taken more seriously.
http://www.cnbc.com/id/48315170
Gramm-Leach-Bliley (GLB) was the bi-partisan act that is most responsible for the financial collapse and Great Recession. Its sponsors were Republican and it was signed by President Clinton. It opened the door to banks becoming “too big to fail” and to the crisis and bailouts we got. The roots of the financial crisis go way back, at least as far as the Community Reinvestment Act under Carter than set the stage for sub-prime lending. However, GLB was a necessary component for the crisis to become as bad as it was. Weill coming back now and saying essentially, “Sorry everyone, I didn’t really mean to bring down the financial system” is an insult to all of us.
Keep in mind also, that campaign rhetoric will ignore completely the reality of this situation. Obama inherited an economic situation that had been in the making long before George Bush took office. The Bush tax cuts can be debated on many grounds, but they had nothing to do with the financial collapse and Great Recession. Bush actually pushed for reform of Freddie Mac and Fannie Mae (two of the other main culprits in the mortgage and housing meltdown) before the crisis but Congress failed to act.
In short, if you want to place blame for the seriousness of the Great Recession, don’t look at George Bush or Barack Obama, but at the people who gave us the repeal of Glass-Steagall and other legislation that opened the door for banks to become “too big to fail” and to rob us all blind.
Prince William County Schools kicked some major Bootyyyy with 8th grade math scores. 16 points over the state 8th grade scores this year. 76% of 8th graders passed.
All math scores were down statewide because:
In other words, the scores were getting too high so the state pulled the rug out from under everyone.Typical.Another factor made it more difficult. There were no longer special ed math portfolios which were a huge joke to start with. This year, the math bullets were real.
@Moon-howler
Um….Mormons are a version of Protestant.
All non-Catholics are protestant. But, I see your point. No MAINSTREAM protestants.
@Lyssa
How can Catholics not be Christian? That’s a new one to me.
@Need to Know
I predicted this Recession the day that they repealed Glass-Stegall. Any good student of history could see it coming.
@Moon-howler
My daughter’s math SOL scores were lower. Then I read about this and realized that she’s ok in math.
@Cargosquid
Talk to some real religious right folks. I was stunned when I was told that. Same for Mormons.
I think I know what you’re talking about. Some hard core Baptists and Pentecostals see the Catholic Church as having left Christianity or being corrupt. That’s actually a very historical view by many Protestants,especially of the more “puritanical” bent.
Of course, all of THEM are going to hell unless they Repent and rejoin the Holy Mother Church.
😉
Yes, I was raised in Puritan country..and then there are the poor Mormons….I recall the question of Christianity being raised early on in the primaries. And the Pilgrims came here seeking religious freedom. So as I said we’ve come full circle to the founding fathers..Deists
@Cargosquid
No Cargo, Mormons are not protestants…according to them even. Protestants had to spring from the Roman Church. Mormons do not believe that they do. They go back to like first century and revitalize.
The scores were expected to fall significantly.
“They go back to like first century and revitalize.”
I don’t understand THAT part, but I can see how they might not be protestant by that reasoning.
Some denominations don’t think Mormons are Christan because they believe in 3 entities rather than a tripartite trinity, according to some of my mormon friends. To me, people are what they say they are. Plus, how can any religion with jesus Christ in its official name not be Christian?
You all are going to have Baptists and Evangelicals crawling all over me.
Biden in Danville (close to the border, but in VA): “With your help, we can win North Carolina again!”
Oops?
HAHAHAHAHAHA!
Speaking of religion, interesting story out of Hungary where the head of the anti-Semetic Jobbik Party resigned after he discovered that he’s Jewish. Of course here in the US we have log cabin republicans, so being a member of a group that’s opposed to you is nothing new.
http://www.npr.org/blogs/thetwo-way/2012/08/14/158773637/leader-of-anti-semitic-party-in-hungary-discovers-hes-jewish?sc=tw&cc=share
Biden told a predominately black audience that Republicans “gonna put y’all back in chains.”
What I find MOST offensive about that statement, besides it being said in the last capitol of the Confederacy by a Yankee…is that he said, “y’all.”
Where does he think he’s from? Really? “Y’all?” Why is it that politicians think that they have to change their speech patterns to blatantly false patterns to pander to audiences….
@Cargosquid
Maybe he and Mittens can sit down for a cheesy grits summit.
@Cargo—re something or other. Maybe that isn’t the right word…
Anyway, they renewed their religion from the first century because of revelation shown to Joseph Smith rather than protesting and breaking away from the Catholic Church, according to what I read.
I looked that part up this morning after i heard that on TV this morning.
@Cargosquid
I agree and I have heard all the major players doing it, including Hillary Clinton, Romney and Obama. Clinton doesnt do it. He already speaks Good Old Boy. bubba-ese.
I just think they sound stupid. I don’t think Mrs. Obama does that though.
@Cargosquid
That’s forgiveable. LOL almost.
Ryan has said something I approve of. He says it might sound funny coming from him but Jon Stewart is the funniest man in America.
Even a broken clock is right twice a day.
@Cargosquid
Oh, dear God, how hard I pray that religion would/could be left out of politics.
Do you not hear me???
I’ve been told that, if one prays hard enough, miracles MIGHT happen.
Now is the time. Please!
@Moon-howler
Moon, the City Police Budget and the Fire & Rescue Budgets already have known overtime costs for the six big festivals each year (Railroad Festival, Wine & Jazz, etc). The check has not been received (yet), but it is not hard for the City to figure out the bill. So all it took was to use the known cost estimates and apply it to what happened Saturday.
@punchak
Um….you did see the smiley face, right?
Just sayin….
@Ray Beverage
So this will get paid like it was one of those festivals? Did they offer to pay or what? Did the /city get paid from Hillary’s campagin in 2008 when she was at Metz?
How much did it cost, btw, for last Sat?
Btw…the Tank Farm is holding its open house this weekend. You guys get to see what all that money is going to go to….. I’ll be there at least one day.
All that money isn’t going to go there because the people of Prince William don’t feel they should be supporting the War Museum. I thought you were for smaller govt, Cargo? Why should the taxpayers foot the bill? Don’t you as a teahadist think that the War Museum should be funded from private money?
From insidenova.com:
He’s coming back. So, the Jenkins Resolutions were really all for naught. Funniest thing how that can be sprung on a room full of people who have never seen the resolutions before (yea, right!) and they immediately vote in favor. Candland can put in a Resolution a week or so in advance and there just hasn’t been enough time to study them and resolve not to do conflict of interest. (yea, right again) How hypocritical.
I am assuming 7 people feel that its ok to sit on the bocs and give your charity or your family member’s charity county money.
Most of us don’t think its right.
@Moon-howler
Have to get back to you on the $$$ amount. The reimbursement most likely will show up on the next Council Finance Committee Agenda (a public document) since all funds are discussed at that meeting. As for Metz, if there was reimbursement, that would have come into the MCPS funds; and would take some looking back to see if the School Board even put it in their minutes. But once the $$$amount is known, I’ll pass it along.
@Ray
Since PC police were involved in extra security, crowd and traffic control, the City should have gotten a check also. Would they really charge Hillary rental money for the gym? Geez.
I don’t think a bill is sent out. It is probably some sort of MOU regarding what will be supplied and what will be reimbursed.
PWC never got their money from either campaign. How pissed off will Andy be if you all get gouged? Maybe someone will tell the costs since it is already calculated?
@Cindy B
I hope you all don’t get gouged like we did, by both campaigns, in 2008.
@Cargosquid
Biden is too cool for words!
@Moon-howler
I didn’t say that the gov’t money SHOULD go there. I don’t care if that museum is built or not. I was just pointing out that your politicians, from what I’ve read here, are “working” with them and that usually means money changed hands somewhere.
I’m all for a private museum….. or if he donates all to the Smithsonian…. I could go that route.
I don’t have a problem with publicly supported museums as long as its a popular vote.
Museums don’t try to control my life. More intrusive gov’t will. If the Museum is seen as “needed” I don’t have a problem with a public one…but I think that with the assortment of military museums around northern Va…. his is not “needed” so much as “wanted.” The idea of a “re-enactment” museum is cool…but sounds REALLY expensive.
Local gov’ts don’t have the money for something of the size he wants.
I will agree with the wanted vs needed assessment being applied to the tank farm.
That was something railroaded in on the taxpayers a couple years back. They have received some money. They will not receive any from this budget. To their credit, they put their request on hold. I think it would have been difficult to justify taxpayer money going there. That endeavor doesn’t appear to be going so well.
I am all for public funding of museums if they benefit local communities. I am not sure this one would. I have no problem with this one going national. It isn’t something I would be horribly interested in. Bedford/D-Day is struggling. I hope the Feds will take it over actually. It is too much for private funds to sustain. One problem I see is that those who were involved were retired and ancient by the time the museum was built and Bedford is in the middle of nowhere. The participants are too old and yet WWII isn’t quite enough in the past to have a real cult following like the Civil War.
@SlowpokeRodriguez
Someone should have reminded his audience who put them in chains in the first place…and wanted put them back later…..
@Cargosquid
Yea, I did. Just forgot my own smiley face. )))
Better late than never! / Acutally, it’s rather early in the day. 🙂
On the subject of Biden and “unchained” –reading about it through bias retell is a whole lot different than hearing it. I heard it. No question in my mind what he was talking about.
The racial charge against Biden is pure bullshit. Furthermore, he doesn’t belong to a church that kept blacks out of the priesthood until the 1970’s. Romney needs to tread lightly about those kinds of charges. He is far too vulnerable.
For very obvious reasons, Team Obama/Biden really doesn’t owe explanations.
Shackles and chains are pretty similar. Anyone who doubts what Biden might have been talking about just has to look around at the people chained and shackled to their jobs, those who cannot retire because their retirement accounts lost half or more of their worth during the crash of 2008. Thanks alot Wall Street big wig fat cats, you D-bags!
Those poor bastards who are shackled and chained to their jobs and who will have to drop dead on their jobs know exactly what Biden meant. Danville was a textile town. The main mill closed in 2006 and knocked the town on its butt. I suppose those still there know all about economic hardship shackling people without anyone’s help or Team Romney/Ryan trying to stir up racial stuff.
I will ding Joe for not knowing he was in Virginia, not North Carolina. The border isn’t THAT close.
A small ding. I would forgive either candidate after the ding.
@Moon-howler
You really should get a job working for Biden. You are the spinmiester! Arguing that Biden was not making a racial crack before a largely black audience in southern VA but was instead arguing that we will all once again be chained to our jobs because Romney wants to allow the big banks to lend again is just plain creative. I have not heard this from the Biden or Soreteo team yet.
I’ll be pretty upset if the republican campaign commits to covering our costs and doesn’t do it. Don’t know cost yet but Hillary event was cheaper as it was indoors and, as such, more modest in size. I’d imagine they had to pay a rental fee for Metz. We charge local groups rental for our public facilities, why wouldn’t we charge Hillary or Mitt? Doesn’t seem fair to charge a startup church rental and not a $100 million campaign effort…..
Ah…but you did answer my question. I don’t know if McCain was charged for the mid-county event or not. Who would have charged. the county or the team? The county did not receive any pay for the overtime and personnel from the Republicans or the Democrats when Obama was at the Fairgrounds before the election.
If memory serves me, we ate about $150k on both of those evens.
I am wondering since the candidates are stomping all over Virginia….are any of the localities getting money for their municipal expenses.
Once a candidate is the chosen, then secret service clicks in. Does that mean that right now, because there has not been a convention where Romeny and Ryan receive the official nod, that they are not entitled to secret service?
Follow the money. Andy, I hope you all don’t get stiffed for the tab but I sure would be surprised if you didn’t have to eat some of it. I think $150k is a pretty big gobble for PWC. Think how many parking lots belonging to non profits we could have paved with that money.
meanwhile, Andy, if either group comes back I sure hope you get them and not us!! (especially if you have ways of extracting money from them.)
Perhaps you weren’t listening. @Blue
Did you actually hear what he said? Hear with your own ears and not some mock up revisionist repeat? Are you aware that either Ryan or Romney had made a speech using talk about shackling..having nothing to do with race either?
Sorry…daughter of the south here and ever mention about chains isn’t about slavery. It wasn’t a largely black audience. It was a mixed audience.
Do a little 5 minute history about industry leaving Danville and what it did to an industrial textile town.
Before I heard it for myself, I would have said Joe needed to walk that one back, like he does North Carolina. After I heard what he said, in context, it seemed like a perfectly decent statement. Of course, I don’t run around avoiding anything that might acknowledge that we aren’t all one race…..
let’s take the counter approach…and assume that Joe meant to drop the race card. Let’s assume it was a totally black audience. Hmmmm…lets examine that. the audience didn’t seem to mind nor did they act like Joe had offended them. Do you think perhaps he said something they hung on to?
As for the fake southern accent. I hate that. I think he was trying to fit in with NC”. He wasn’t “talking the talk. “
@Moon-howler
No, I heard it and I agree that civil discourse can acknowledge that we are not all one race or from one cultural background – see religious discussion above. But that is not what this was. This was classic racial pandering in an attempt to suggest that we are for you and they are not — sort of the we know what is good for you – and this from the guy who cracked jokes about Indians who work in 7-Elevens and who referred to the Senator as something new and exciting– a “clean” and “articulate black.”
Isn’t google wonderful, Blue?
Let me try to decipher what you have said…you are saying that Biden is saying that the Democrats are for those in the audience and the Republicans aren’t?
I would say that was a pretty accurate description actually. If telling the truth is pandering, oh well. I think Biden was specifically discussing Wall Street and I don’t give enough of a rat’s ass to go listen again because frankly, it is a non story. I don’t care if he was talking to blacks only or blacks and whites (unless my eyes deceive me, that is who he was talking to.)
Back to Danville…and Biden…..
From ABC:
We got a real clear picture of what they all value,” Vice President Joe Biden said at a campaign event in Virginia yesterday, referring to the Republican budget conceived, in part by newly-minted vice presidential candidate Paul Ryan. “Every Republican’s voted for it. Look at what they value and look at their budget and what they’re proposing. Romney wants to let the — he said in the first hundred days he’s going to let the big banks once again write their own rules, ‘unchain Wall Street.’ They’re going to put y’all back in chains.”
Let’s assume the worst. Ok Worst assumed. Let’s say that he was only addressing the blacks in the audience and he meant the Republicans were going to put Just the blacks in chains and let’s assume that his fake southern accent was really black English.
So….what. I am white as they come and that Republican budget would put my middle class arse in chains, for sure.
I thought Romney made a puke out of himself with all his mock outrage, like the patriarch expressing his disappointment in an errant son. gag!!!
I actually didn’t dislike Romney and defended him during the primary season. I probably liked him or the old him, moore than most republicans. Now you all have decided to like him and he is pandering to his new base…(now THAT is pandering) I am beginning to find his unlikeable. How many remakes can one person do over?
So whats worse….to pander to black folks or pander to arch conservatives? I guess it depends on whether you are black or a an arch conservative.
“A national political campaign is better than the best circus
ever heard of, with a mass baptism and a couple of hangings
thrown in.”
H.L. Mencken