If you want the most personal decisions made by government, by all means, vote for the Republican ticket. That’s really what the week-long hoopla is all about. Right now Not-Republicans are sitting back and watching the Republicans implode and duke it out internally. It should have happened a long time ago. The Democrats don’t need to throw rocks. The Republicans are taking care of that nasty little task. Every party needs a fall guy.
The attack on Todd Akin by Republicans is totally bat crap crazy. If you look at the voting records of say..oh…Paul Ryan, and Todd Akin on reproductive rights, they will match, vote for vote. Many of the movers and shakers of the “pro-life” movement also match Ryan and Akin. Yet Akin is being painted as the party bad boy? Why?
…Because he talked in public. Every last one of those uber-extremists wants to get rid of all exceptions to abortion. They don’t want to just get rid of the exceptions where Medicaid is concerned. They want abortion illegal for every reason. Some might make an exception for life of the mother…might. Most will not.
Don’t be sweet talked into thinking Akin is the only extremist out there. He is not. Paul Ryan and many others are right there with him. They just didn’t have a Macaca moment like Akin did.
I told you, trying to pin this on Ryan isn’t going to work, and it really showcases the desperation of the left. The big money donors have a good case of the schitz with Obama, and, as anyone could guess by the over-1 trillion dollar deficits the One has run, he’s overspending his campaign account. So what’s left? The fairy-tale war on women. Everyone but Obama is getting rich selling war on women bumper stickers (just check out cafepress.com) and the DNC is filling the roster with the likes of Sandra Fluke. I’m thinking this is going to be good!
Uber-extremists. Like Barrack Obama, Nancy Pelosi, Debbie Wasserman-Schultz, Schumer, Reid, etc, etc, etc. Hilarious.
I still don’t get how Biden’s chains comment just went without any notice. Just goes to show you how utterly biased the news media has become. People have lost jobs for less. Reminds me of a rerun of Amos ‘n’ Andy.
Second Alamo, who was supposed to be offended by Biden’s remarks? Think about it.
Now, back to topic. That’s last weeks news.
@SlowpokeRodriguez
Slowpoke, I hate to tell you but it already is stuck. Sorry, you in your infamous political wisdom, just didn’t get consulted on this one.
The reality is, no one was paying attention except the pro choice community and Ryan is just as much of an extremist as Akin or Bob Marshall or Bob Dornan. To those people who don’t care about reproductive rights, like yourself, it isn’t important. To those of us who do care and think it is import that the women of America keep reproductive options open and who know that the empowerment of women is critically based on having these options opens, Ryan’s voting record is critical.
It has already stuck to Ryan. All these issues that you have laughted about this year will stick to the Republican party because they have tolerated it and incorporated some of this restrictive extremism into their platform, to appease their religious base.
The fact that you want to titter over these issues speaks volumes.
If the subject d’jour is Ryan versus abortion, other free contraception, and generally the “war on women” you are right, the laugh-o-meter is all the way over and stuck by the insanity and craziness. I mean, here is a party that is about to have an individual who has been repeatedly accused of rape, an clear abuser of young women, a guy who lost his law licensce, who is famous for his infidelity as the key note speaker at the Demgoges national convention talking about how awful Republicans are to women. It is unbelievable – until you remember that this is part of the plan to divert folks from thinking about how this Administration made things worse for all of us.
Call out that name that you fear to say because he is still one of the most popular people in America. Can you not say his name? bok bok bok.
Actually you made things worse for yourselves because instead of working together with Democrats on solutions that would bring the country out of war and out of serious recession, you voted in fools who dragged the country to brinkmanship by nearly defaulting on our loans. Additionally you have elected fools who have have spent 2 years clucking over reproductive issues because of religious busy-bodies (their supposed base with their pitchforks and torches) who want to drag the rest of us in under their repressive church laws. They haven’t learned America is not a theocracy.
You are free to laugh all you want. I grew weary of trying to protect people from their own oppression a long time ago. You may freely submit to laughter and oppression. You will not oppress me or mine.
I do hope that the demogoges push the war on women and continue to call Ryan an extremist. Extremism in the defense of life or liberty is no vice – or something like that. And yes, I do support contraceptive freedom- it is nobody else’s business until the line is crossed so that government assurance of those rights equals the provision of free services as an entitlement by gendered birth. Absolutely, keep calling the vast majority of Americans and the independents in particular extremists. Keep doing it – it will work! .
Ryan is an extremist to moderate and liberal people. He is a fiscal extremist and he is an extremist as far as social values go. Why do I say that? He wants to alter medicare as we know it and he would outlaw all abortion with the possible exception of life of the mother. Most of us consider that extreme. Additionally he supports the proposed personhood amendment to the constitution that would define personhood as beginning at fertilization.
If you support contraceptive freedom than you had better take another look at the personhood amendment. Most chemical contraception prevents a fertilized ovum from implanting on the uterine wall (implantation). Ryan supports the personhood amendment. The personhood amendment would make chemical contraception not just illegal but perhaps murder. The Personhood Amendment would also alter the 14th amendment and cause all sorts of other problems that there aren’t solutions for.
I have no idea what you have said:
Gendered birth?
How about simply stating that it isn’t anyone’s business what kind of contraception you use instead of gobblydeegoop?
This election is being discussed as if there were some logical points to be made. Not there. The only reality is ” by any means necessary” and that applies to both Romney and Obama AND Malcolm X.
I am pretty sure Malcolm X is dead. Do we still run dead people?
Ha ha. I love it when obtuse males become experts on what women think and what issues are important to them. Many of them sleep with the “enemy” nightly and don’t even know it!
You’re assuming obtuse males acknowledge women think and prioritize.
I love it, Blue is back for some butt whuppin’ ! First you try to defend Akin and now you want to deflect back to Democrats, no problem.
First, moderate republicans, like Scott Brown, are wondering why the Republicans are ensuring they codify, by their actions, the impression that they are extremist anti abortionists. He has publicly come out against the inclusion of the anti abortion republican platform.
Kathleen Parker wrote a great op-ed tiltled ” The republicans need a lesson on the fairer sex“, time to accept reponsbility for the eff ups in the GOP if you would like them to have any chance of winning in the Fall. I have included exerpts, I suggest reading the entire piece.
Blue, getting pissed at the pro choice people does not negate the extremism on the far right that would enslave women to their bodies, unable to control their own health risks. The republican party, by continuing to focus on abortion may make people like you happy, but, in th end, they are digging their own political demise.
Farmers are suffering in this extreme drought, losing everything. Right now it only effects them personally, but soon enough, it will effect us all. The bizzare fixation by the right on a womans uterus will not create jobs, will not address a never ending war in afganastan, will not address a continuing forclosure problem.
Farmers are losing everything, groceries will be sky high, farm animals are being turned lose to die…and the extremists drone on about abortion and shutting down planned parenthood. UFB.
The CBO warns of another recession coming next year. Significant tax hikes are due to automatically go into effect at the end of the year. The extremists drone on about abortion and shutting down Planned Parenthood.
What is it going to take? Let’s get our little minds off of stopping abortion and address the problems that are arising right now.
Good whupping, Elena.
I couldn’t decode one of those gobbledeegoops, btw.
The Republican party is TRYING to focus on the economy but the press only likes to talk about abortion and try to scare people that the evil Republicans want to to end all abortions.
Of course, that’s not going to happen since legal abortion is settled law. It would take a reversal after a long court battle OR an amendment to the Constitution.
Also, if you’re tired of the abortion talk, tell that to the DNC. THEY are the ones planning an abortion love fest at their rally.
@Cargo, I would like to end all abortions. I would like for there to be no need for them. I don’t want them to be illegal. I want them to be unnecessary.
Cargo, you are doing external blame here. The Democrats are sitting back watching the side show as the Republicans circle the wagons.
Don’t blame the media. They aren’t generating the action. The Republicans are. That’s like blaming the press for Anthony Weiner whipping his willy out. If he hadn’t done it, there would be no show.
@Cargosquid
I agree. Moon and Elena just need to get out more.
Elena, I’m not pissed at the pro-choicers – its too small a part of the community. I am just repulsed by calling devoted Catholics and other groups extremist or taliban. If we want to re-engage in name calling and classifications, I have a few to offer with histoical precedent. Now, there are extremists out there – on both sides – its just that calling Ryan one is funny and the hypocrisy of the Dems war on women is even more laughable. Whoop Whoop
Ryan is not a moderate. Ryan is an extremist in the eyes of moderates and liberals. I have explained why. You are free to think he is not. It sounds like you are an extremist also.
Not all devoted Catholics are anti-choice. Where have you been? Perhaps it is you who needs to go out more. Ever seen Frances Kissling’s Catholics for a Free Choice march? She no longer heads that group but she was the founder. The Roman Catholic Church is a huge religion and different individuals and groups feel differently. This isn’t unique with larger spritual groups.
@blue
I have many relatives and friends that are Catholic and not extremist. They are just Christians. Unlike you, I don’t lump all Catholics together. There are some that are very traditional and very strict. There are others who are not. I have no problem stating that some are extremist. My mother in law, for example, simply didn’t think that the topic should be a political issue. It doesn’t matter how she feels personally about abortion. The issue is who makes the decision, you or the government.
Doing the Goofy laugh, are we? It’s a good thing. Women had grown too complacent.
As for Ryan, I don’t even dislike him. but he is what he is and for that reason, I could not vote for him. Romney did a better job of picking a running mate than McCain.
blue, laugh all you want sweetie. You may be the only one laughing. Most Americans actually are pro choice, its too what degree they find choice acceptable.
Transvaginal probes isn’t a war on women? Attempting to pass personhood amendments state and federal isn’t a war on women? Outlawing most types of hormonal BC isn’t a war on women? Attempting to withhold Title 10 funding to planned parenthood, isn’t a war on women? Republicans are making their own extreme socially conservative bed, let them lie in it and see what happens. I don’t it is a laughing matter, trying to control women and their access to reproductive health care.
The Republicans who allowed this kind of extremism to go on sure aren’t laughing now it has blown up in their faces, now are they?
Absolutely there is a war on women.
Moon whispers to Elena: Suggest that Blue read the Greek play, Lysistrata.
LYSISTRATA:
There are a lot of things about us women
That sadden me, considering how men
See us as rascals.
CALONICE:
As indeed we are!
@Elena
Bless your heart, with Joe Biden and Sandra Fluke shilling for you and nothing good economically to run on, its no wonder that your side has had to confuse the right to abortion with taxpayer funding for abortion and birth control. Oh and the annointed one is so confused, I just saw a video of him in his Senate campaign supporting 2nd and 3rd tri-mester abortions. Crank it up! New ads on Extremism ! Maybe somebody should have asked before they let this one go too.
Your side? What would that be? If you think for one minute right to abortion isn’t under attack, go read the proposed personhood amendment. There really isn’s taxpayer funded abortion. There hasn’t been since 1977 with the Hyde Amendment with the exception of a very few extreme medicaid patients. Let’s not try to turn less than 100 cases into a major issue.
Now..lets talk about 2nd and 3rd trimester abortions–Many legislators voted down legislation that did not have an exception for life of the mother in the language of the bill. However, let’s take it further. There are times when 2nd and 3rd trimester abortions are very morally appropriate. Fetal anomoly is a example of what I would consider morally appropriate. Not everyone does but it should be the woman’s choice. Maternal endangerment would be another example of moral appropriateness, in my opinion. I absolutely think that there should be a provision for legal abortion when pregnancy goes extremely wrong. As long as it is not forced on others, there should be no problem. Abortion at this time should be very rare and the closer to term, the more regulated.
i stand by my rule of thumb….if you are opposed to abortion, don’t have one.
Paul Ryan has signed on 59 bills that severely restrict reproductive rights. I call that an extremist position.
Right now, Paul Ryan is being Romney-ized which is an improvement.
No, but Democrats have an ugly habit of voting for dead people…hence the voter ID laws.
I’m very comfortable with the left investing so heavily in this line of attack. I think it will be interesting to watch it play out. I wouldn’t want to bet any money on who might win, but I’m good with the sides going into battle.
Little too literary I guess…..
Blue,
I would love to have debate on economics, its your party this stupidly keeps bringing it back to social issues like abortion. Romney/Ryan’s plan is a winner for a select few. The disparity between haves and have nots has been growing since Reagan. Please, lets go back to the days of Clinton. That would be great. When private industry flourished instead of the great military industrial complex as our means to support our economy.
Northern Virginia, were it not for the Federal Governement and the jobs it provides, would be like so many other great states, struggling with high unemployment.
@SlowpokeRodriguez
Pokey, do you have a comprehension problem all of a sudden? Why do you think anyone but the Republican party has a heavy investment here?
The GOP has been taken over by the anti choice crew. There is nothing to do but sit back and watch it play out. The problem has been that the average person wasn’t paying attention. This past year enough has happened that a pattern has appeared, thus, the war on women.
It is you who doesn’t see the obvious. Not my problem. Don’t get blind sided.
@Lyssa
Sigh…what did I miss?
No, but Democrats have an ugly habit of voting for dead people…hence the voter ID laws.
Ha ha. It’s the Repubs who are running scared and attempting to disenfranchise Democratic voters (and I don’t mean dead people). How many cases of voter fraud have been prosecuted? What percent? Statistics, please.
I just reread the topic thread post to see if anywhere in there abortion was being debated. It wasn’t. Often I write in the middle of the night and I forget.
I said that it was an internal problem and I did say that there were extremists. Why is the word extremist insulting?
Is there anyone out there who doesn’t think that outlawing all abortion is extreme? I think it is very extreme and takes us far from where we are now. What do we call people who go to extreme measures? I call them extremists.
Totally altering medicare and outlawing all abortion sounds extreme to me. Suggest another term we can all agree on and I will consider using it. Until then, extremist is about as good as i can do.
I am still enjoying watching it. Seriously, its an easy week for a moderate. Someone else is doing all the work.
It took me 5 minutes to prepare the thread. It often takes me an hour when the Republicans aren’t taking the heat.
Geez–Ann Coulter called poor old Todd Akin a selfish swine. She said she HATED him.
I rest my case. That seems like an extreme statement.
On the other hand, maybe extremists don’t see themselves as extreme. Maybe they think they are normal?
Blue, care to shed some light on that last sentence?
Oh, but you DO mean dead people (and illegals). Everyone knows what you mean. You want statistics? You know what they say about statistics, right? There are plenty of documented cases (on both sides).
Pokie once again blows smoke…no facts…only smoke.
@SlowpokeRodriguez
So why didn’t you include Repubs in your charge that parties have an ugly habit of voting for dead people? Do statistics indict one party more than the other? Where are the statistics for voting fraud by party? By state? Where is the data that this “problem exists and that it isn’t just another dog whistle for the lazy thinkers?
Mitt Remney met with reporters. He stipulated he would not answer any questions about abortion or Todd Skin. You don’t get to set those rules unless you are elected and then it is with great risk that people have memories.
That is arrogance, for sure.
Poke is a liar. He makes up stuff.
And Akin is not a fringe candidate. His views are mainstream within the Repugs party.
He is a fringe candidate in my world but absolutely not in his own party. I see that as a problem.
Well, let’s give this Google nexus 7 a shot. Here’s the problem with you libs. I say on both sides at the end of 36. Then you blurt out “why didn’t you include republicans?” At the beginning of 38. Can you libs not read or do you simply not understand? I’m supposed to cite references for you folks? What would you do with statistics and references? Eat them? Try to clean your ears with them? Look at it this way, Starry felt the need to help you out…..that’s all anyone needs to know.
You blow smoke and we are supposed to believe you because you said it. Ok. Snapping off a crisp salute. Yes sir!
@SlowpokeRodriguez
Did you conveniently overlook your own post (#26)? Try to be a little clearer.
#36 is obviously a clarification of #26….and a response to you as well. I cannot hold your hand through things. Then again, here I am, doing just that. Like I said, if Starry is helping you out, that should tell you something.
On a more positive note, the tegra quadcore processor combine with Android 4.1 (jellybean) to produce a smooth fast Google Nexus 7 platform!
@SlowpokeRodriguez
I’ll try to remember all the techy stuff you suggest. We plowed our bucks into stocks, deferred comp, gold, and retirement funds instead of all the goodies that popped up on the market and can now live a more than comfortable retirement. Guess we were a couple dummies…
Thanks, Mr. Trump!
To Cargo, wherever he may be….
I hope you understand that many of these reproductive rights issues are very much tied to the economy and a woman’s ability to to earn a living for herself and her offspring.
Women will never have economic equality if they cannot control their own reproduction.
If you are a middle class woman with a health care plan and a decent salary, this isn’t such a big issue. If you are marginal as far as making ends meet, $50 can be a deal breaker. An unplanned, unwanted pregnancy can be a life altering experience and an one that makes the difference in a life of poverty or a more comfortable life in the middle class.
No longer directed at Cargo. He hasn’t laughed. He also has a daughter.
Those of us who crossed the cusp of this divide as young women perhaps see the tremendous impact that contraception has on female success. While some of you men are sitting back and yucking it up, you might want to talk to your mothers and your aunts about the bad old days. I am deadly about this and am growing impatience with your mirth which obviously indicates you are too shallow or too immature to grasp the impact of what happened to women when access to contraception is removed.
Luckily, my being correct doesn’t require your belief.
All arrogant, small minded people feel they are right and that no one else could ever have a legitimate point of view.
{{{Shrug}}}
@Moon-howler
“An unplanned, unwanted pregnancy can be a life altering experience and an one that makes the difference in a life of poverty or a more comfortable life in the middle class.”
Yep. It SURE does. MY LIFE. I was an unplanned unwanted pregnancy. My mother said, and I quote, “You’re lucky that abortion wasn’t legal. I was terrified. Completely terrified. But you’re proof that an unwanted child becomes a loved and wanted child.”
Everyone has to do what they think is right.
I expect I was an unplanned child. Unwanted? I don’t think it was personal. I expect my parents would have rather had a little more time being a couple. I believe pregnancies can be unwanted without it being personal.
I can take the same verbage into my own family. There was a support system. Not everyone feels they have it. It just isn’t a decision you can make for others.
But back to the original statement–whether it worked out ok in your family or in my family doesn’t degate the fact that the decision to continue with a pregnancy can have a huge economic impact on a woman.
In your case, from what I have been told, your mom had her education. In my family’s case, the support systems were there with core education already in place. It makes a huge difference and not everyone has all that in place.
Think of a single mother with no education, already working 2 jobs and no child care. No comparison to my family situation.
@Moon-howler
Adoption
Hit submit too soon.
Speaking of abortion.
Access to contraceptive I have no problem with.
Adoption is very difficult for some people and not guarantee of happy ending. I know some real sad adoption stories.
Something I meant to say earlier, Cargo….I don’t think our personal feelings should be national or state policy. For instance, you have no idea how I feel personally on this issue. You just know my public policy feelings.
I think I can say the personal story in my family rivals yours.
I will say this…I don’t have goo goo feelings about zygotes. Frankly, I don’t think they are babies….yet. If Mother Nature is kind, they might get to be…but zygotes are zygotes.
If someone wants to be pregnant and wants a child at the time, then that zygote, in the minds eye probably even has a layette.
If someone doesn’t want to be pregnant and the timing is off….that zygote is pure biology.
Funniest thing about stuff like that.