Sandra Fluke spoke for her generation last night. She did it with a certain elegance. She compared 2 Americas–one with a President Obama and one with a President Romney. Please take time to listen. It was one of the best speeches of the entire convention.
She did an excellent job explaining why women will be second class citizens if the republicans win.
Ann Coulter talks smack on twitter:
@AnnCoulter
Ann Coulter
Bill Clinton just impregnated Sandra Fluke backstage…
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Is there anything Ann Coulter wouldn’t say or do?
Apparently not…here’s the follow up:
Ann Coulter just acts trashy. There is no point in asking more from her. It isn’t there.
I’m sorry. Anyone that is attending college for the sole purpose of changing that college’s “contraception policies” is just not serious. She knew ahead of time what those policies were. And then demanding that other people pay for her contraception.
And..oh boo hoo. She is NOT a private citizen anymore. SHE stepped into politics. Rush apologized. She had nice spin though. Just like a good politician/activist…oh..that’s right. She IS an activist. If you can’t stand the heat…get out of the ki….oh. Never mind. That would be considered sexist. 😉
If you want to follow her logic, why are men forced to buy any health insurance that covers her pet wants.
Abortion is NOT going to be made illegal. Its settled law. If an organization doesn’t want to pay for a product, that’s THEIR right.
She was not allowed to speak at THAT meeting because she wasn’t on the list. But no one has “shut her up.” She spoke everywhere. Then that “poor” college student took a trip to Italy, with her boyfriend. Hmmmmm, why doesn’t HE pay for any contraception that she can’t afford?
Her whole “ordeal” was manufactured outrage.
Your enitre outlook is outmoded and patriarchal.
what are you talking about? She went to Georgetown to get a law degree. You have been drinking right wing tainted toilet water again. ewwwww. Spit that stuff out.
She was a private citizen. She was attacked by a bully. She was called a slut for speaking out abot birth control. hell’s bells! This is 2012! He made crude references to sex tapes. His “apology” came half-assed and after many of his sponsors departed for cleaner waters.
I wish I shared your confidence on the safety of Roe vs. Wade. It really doesn’t matter if it is established law or not. Here today, gone tomorrow.
Obviously it isn’t that organizations right. I will offer up FICA as an example. There are all sorts of products an organization might have to buy to conform to various regulations.
Why does she make you so angry? I really don’t think you understand what is and is not sexist, judging from your above paragraph.
Oh, and I echo this comment here: http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0912/80793.html
I will be patiently awaiting the media fact check of this speech. Her delivery was well received in the hall, but the speech was full of half-truths or no-truths such as “It would be an America in which you have a new vice president who co-sponsored a bill that would allow pregnant women to die.” I mean come on I thought the president wanted to improve the conversation. How can you debate rationally with people who state the Vice Presidential candidate wants women to die? The speech will do well among a segment that already supports the President in great numbers, but will it help with Independents? I have my doubts. But I am sure the glitz of Fluke will mesmerize the “objective” journalist and we will hear little about the discord and fact checking of her speech. Yes she is not as well trained in giving speeches like this but when you move her to prime time she should be under the same scrutiny as all the other prime time speakers.
Read more: http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0912/80793.html#ixzz25gkY8s8E
Her speech involved speculation. It was a contrast.
Why do you deny that Ryans bill would allow women to die? No abortion for life of the mother pretty much sums it up for me. Throw in an ectopic pregnancy or two…you can get more death. Of course it would allow women to die, if codified and enacted. Women think it is very much something to talk about.
Go play with your guns. Women take this stuff seriously, especially us salty old dogs who thought this fight was over 40+ years ago. I bet you didn’t like my gun remark. That’s pretty much how I feel about your condescending tone used towards Sandra Fluke who has arisen and the voice of her generation on reproductive rights.
Spare me your opinion of Cecile Richards and Nancy Keenan night before last. I am trying to figure out why Fluke is more threatening than Richards and Keenan. I expect it is her Phoenix-like emergence on the scene. She took the baton that was passed to her and she represents the new guard and she represents it well.
By the way, her name was submitted for that Congressional conference. You can’t have a woman on a committee about women’s issues. You must keep it paternalistic.
@Moon-howler
I’m not angry at all. I actually don’t care one way or another about her or her statements. And in what way is what I said patriarchal? Or outmoded? I’m treating her as an equal. I am treating her as I would any politician. I did not even ask her to stop speaking. All I did was point out that she’s a political activist. Really, where was I patriarchal and outmoded in what I said, because I don’t see it. What sentences?
She was attacked for her political statements. She entered into politics of her own free will, was used as a stalking horse by Democrat politicians trying to stage a stunt. She is a political activist.
Please tell me how that makes her a “private” citizen. I agree that Rush shouldn’t have attacked her the way he did. He went overboard in following her logic to its obvious conclusions based on HER statements and was rude. She was called a slut for asking everyone ELSE to pay for her birth control…because she was spending thousands of dollars on it…by her admission.
Other than that….all manufactured outrage.
Of course she is an activist. At the time, she was a campus activist. Political activist now. then, I think it was more limited. Of course she is a private citizen. She was not running for office. When I was an activist, I was a private citizen. I didn’t run for office or draw a pay check from my activism.
Want an example of your attitude? “all manufactured outrage” Additionally, you are blaming the victim in part for Rush’s behavior. Your words hint at …he was wrong BUT… you equivocate.
She isn’t asking everyone to pay for her birth control. You are personalizing. She wanted contraception included as part of the student health coverage at Georgetown. Interestingly enough, Georgetown already includes contraception as part of its employee benefits package. So much for mock outrage.
Abortion and privacy in the bedroom are not jokes, but Sandra Fluke is. She is not an advocate for abortion rights or contraceptive freedom, but is an extremeist seeking more and more entilements for her identified Democratic sub-group – women. That is all she is – an opportunist – and boy has it worked. Any bet she majored in “woman’s studies?” Asking for free condums and contraception, asking and seeking a plateform that now seeks murder on demand without restrictiion and asking for the government to pay for transgender operations is just the beginning for this lefty. I bet she expects her student loans to be forgiven too – because she isa woman.
I want here to be out there talking as much as possible.
Blue, Please take remarks like that to the sh!tty thread. Your comment is one big lie after another.
If that is what you really believe, then you have totally missed the point.
I will take down future comments of this nature….why? Just because it pisses me off to see someone intentionally blather bullshit. Intentional sexist remarks and insults along the line of Rush Limbough simply won’t be tolerated on this blog.
I never told anyone I won’t censor, so don’t even whine about it. In fact, a while ago I promised I would. In fact, I don’t think I woul dlet this stand even on the sh!tty thread.
And she knew AHEAD OF TIME that Georgetown did not provide it and admitted that she went there for the purpose of changing it. She doesn’t like the policy, go to a different school. Of course she’s asking for everyone else to pay for her birth control. That’s how insurance works. Everyone pays the premiums.
She was submitted and rejected for that meeting. Her handlers knew that it was going to happen because her topic was not relevant to THAT meeting. It was manufactured to create publicity.
The manufactured outrage phrase is about the overblown hype about her and the “attacks” on her.
I am not blaming the victim about Rush’s attacks. I am holding her responsible for her words. I did not equivocate. I quite bluntly agreed that he was rude and went too far.
One does not need to be paid to be a “public” citizen. One just has to enter into public politics, which she did. She was criticized for her “public” actions.
She went to Georgetown to get a law degree.
Now you are saying she cannot lobby for change. Is that because she is female?
Oh, and I didn’t care one way or another about the gun remark. Now, if I had been her…I’d say that you’re telling me to go away and shut up because my opinion doesn’t matter.
But I know that you’re not doing that and my skin is much thicker.
Anyway… nice speech. She did better than a lot of people.
Coulter has got to be missing a screw or a cog somewhere. I’ve never understood how she has become so “famous”. Is she maybe trying the out-Rush Rush?
O’Reilly’s comment about comdoms dropping from the celing during Fluke’s speech.
Saying it with tha snarky leer! At least the two guys who was on the program with him,
didn’t chime in; not at all.
@Punchak
Condoms from the ceiling? Well, O’Reilly just joined the trash team if he said that. 🙄
But here is the problem, and we see it in our own state. If Cuccinelli gets his way, there will be no abortion clinics in Virginia. If pass enough restrictions, you don’t have to outlaw abortion.
O’Reilly just demontrates why is irrelevant.
“murder on demand”, yeah you will need to take comments like that somewhere else. Women are not murderers are neither are the doctors that perfom abortions.
Freedom from government unless you are pregnant or gay!
@Elena
Elena, Elena you poor thing. I feel for you – here your party goes way over the line and re-opens pandoras box so that we can no longer count on Roe as a standard ever again. It was one thing to argue about abortion in the context of 40 years of advancing medical technology and – yes – fetal viability and the need to move that window of debate back, but to now say that any abortion for any reason up to and even post (live) birth does not constitute murder is silly. What does or is the word to otherwise mean? Any doctor today that violates Roe is subjectot prosecution. And then, I am sorry if this offends you, the party you so admire abandons Isreal. I heard the crowd and the vote and I saw the political convienience. Those have to be two major blows.
I can only imagine how I would feel if Romney was caught with a hooker, the Republican party voted for defund the Border Patrol and ICE and declared amnesty or if they offerred a 5 year budget plan with a Trillion dollar deficit every year. Ouch.
Blue, you are showing your ignorance. The platform statement is within the confines of Roe Vs Wade. Roe does not allow for abortion for any reason on demand. In fact, third trimester abortions are at the complete discretion of the state. I would advise you to look over Roe v Wade before making such assinine statements.
You obviously need someone to make deeply personal decisions for you. You obviously need government to be your nanny to assist you with these kinds of decisions. Elena and I both feel that women are capable of making their own ethical and morally appropriate decisions within the parameters of the law.
You are aware that choice also includes having a child, whether married or not?
Here is the platform regarding abortion. Let me know if I can help you with the big words:
Blue,
Since Yom Kippur will be here shortly, I will do my best to not have to ask G-d for forgiveness when I address you.
Please don’t feel sorry for me, I am fully cofident in the reality I research and share. I’m not sure why you are so determinded to sound so uninformed and vitriolic.
I know you hate facts so lets reitterate. 88% of abortions happen in the first trimester, 98% happen by week 16. Not sure what wacky stuff you’ve been watching, but live births are not aborted. That doesn’t even make sense dear.
I may be Jewish, but I am an American first and foremost. Why is the capitol of Israel even IN ANY platform. As far as G-d goes, I see people, in your party, behaving very unG-dly like, especially as it relates to immigrants, legal and otherwise. I thought that there was no religion test to be elected? Has the constitution been amended 😉
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Let me add, platitudes about Israel will not bring about a sustainable peace. In fact, I would say that going into Iraq did more damage to the future of Israel than any stupid platform language.
This country needs to demonstrate an ability to implemnt conflict resolution, we can’t even effing do that between our two parties, mainly because the republicans REFUSE to compromise on any of their core issues. What a joke, only it isn’t funny, its pathetic.
Good come-backs from both of you. I had no idea that people thought 2nd and 3rd Trimester abortions (post viability) in the absence of a danger to the mother were acceptable or legal. I stand corrected. Thank you.
They are mostly given because of fetal anomoly. Often tests don’t show problems until 2nd trimester. I don’t think amnio can be done until week 16 unless things have changed.
At that point I don’t think it is up to us to determine whether an abortion for fetal anomoly or deformity is acceptable. If you have ever known a person who had to undergo an abortion for reasons like this, it is extremely sad. I would say this would be time to show compassion.
It must make you feel important to stand in judgement of people, especially those who face horrible decisions regarding a fetus that has a serious anomoly or are facing life threatening illness like cancer or even pre-ecamplsia.
Ahhh, it’s so nice not to be in the middle of this one!
Pokie, as a person who is often in the middle, it isn’t safe there either. Both sides hate you.
Oh, I’m just enjoying not being the one tangling with you guys over abortion. Kind of like when I’m in a restaurant and it’s not MY kid screaming and throwing a tantrum. 🙂
@SlowpokeRodriguez
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA! You almost made me snort beer out of my nose with that.
@Moon-howler
Back to Fluke: Here’s why she was turned away. It was not a panel on “women’s issues.”
“By the way, her name was submitted for that Congressional conference. You can’t have a woman on a committee about women’s issues. You must keep it paternalistic.”
I just learned something. http://www.weeklystandard.com/blogs/sandra-flukes-inability-tell-truth_651800.html
Excerpt:
“To clarify, the hearing Fluke was turned away from was on religious liberty, not contraception—though obviously the Obamacare insurance mandates forcing religious employers to pay for contraception were a topic of discussion.”
and
“However, as much as Fluke likes to claim that Republican congressmen were uninterested in a woman’s perspective, this is demonstrably untrue. It has been pointed out ad nausem there were two women on that panel:
“Take a look at this picture of Dr. Allison Dabbs Garrett, the senior vice-president for academic affairs at Oklahoma Christian University. According to the mainstream media, she doesn’t exist. Neither does Dr. Laura Champion, medical director of Calvin College Health Services. See, they testified at a hearing on religious liberty. But since the talking points used by the media are, quite literally, “Where were the women at the religious liberty hearing?”, they can’t acknowledge that they exist.”
@Elena
Excellent closing Benediction by Cardinal Dolan. Catholics voted in droves for Obama in 2008. Hopefully, wisdom will guide them this time. Dolan slapped them good last night on these issues.
Someone should have slapped him on the issues. Shame on which ever Democrat gave him a microphone. If people need to pray, go to chuch and stay away from the convention.
@blue
I wish I had seen THAT. I’ll have to find it on the net.
I don’t know why he was allowed there. I would have not allowed him the mic. What would have happened if a gay, pro choice Episcopal priest had gone to the Republican Convention and spoken against their platform?
I have no use for Dolan.
Perhaps not wise raising my head in this thread, but a couple of corrections.
No mainstream Republican, especially among those associated with the Romney/Ryan campaign, is trying to restrict the availability of contraception at all. Ms. Fluke or anyone else can obtain contraception easily and Republicans do not want to change that. The issue was forcing religious institutions, including church-related schools and universities, to pay for contraception against their beliefs.
Paul Ryan does believe in an exception for the life of the mother, as do most pro-life people. Ryan opposes exceptions for rape or incest. Romney supports exceptions for rape or incest.
The platform makes no exception for life of the mother. Wait, why is any thinking person acting like that is a BFD? This is 2012. Abortion is a legal procedure in this country and is bound by the parameters set forth in Roe Vs Wade. I am pro choice without apology. I am not going to whisper it or act like I am hiding booze coming out of the liquor store. I don’t give a good hell what Ryan or Romney believe. Romney apparently believes whatever will get him a vote. They can believe what they want. Their beliefs will not be my laws. Screw them.
Need to Know, Sandra Fluke’s school, Georgetown University pays for its employees contraception. No one is forcing it. What they aren’t paying for is student contraception even though the students have a medical package.
Easy for you to say….about obtaining contraception easily. Not so. It is costly if you are on a budget. Some Republicans want to change accessibility to contraception. Perhaps they don’t know it. In fact, the Republican Platorm supports denial of chemical contraception. How so you ask? Any human life amendmant that the Republican platform supports states that life begins at the moment of FERTILIZATION. Chemical contraception prevents implantaion post fertilization. That is unacceptable.
This Benediction was a chance to all stand together and pray for our country and for what is good and right. But, God did get the last word in after all – even here at the Dems convention, Wow!
“Dolan’s prayer was like when the parents come home from vacation a day early and at 2AM to find 25 drunk teenagers spread across the living room in various states of consciousness and the only thing any one can say is nothing, as everyone bolts for the doors.”
Not to worry, it did not affect anyone.
Where did that quote come from? Please credit direct quotes.
God can always get the last word in. He doesn’t need Dolan or any priest for that matter to do it. Sorry, not co-dependent of priests.
yes That is the reason for the schism..or the main reason.
@blue
Sadly…yes.
Why is it sad? Why should being gay deep someone from becoming a priest? Geez, it isn’t even your religion.
They can also marry wives and most of them do. The good news is, even women can be ordained. My favorite priest is female.
Wanting to serve G-d and your community is sad Cargo? Wow, I think YOUR attitude is sad 🙁
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jim_McGreevey
I don’t think it ever has.
Agreed. @pokie
From everything I have heard or seen.
Going against long held principles and beliefs of a Christian Church just to keep up with modern times is sad.
Heresy was a long held belief too.
@Elena
Yes it is and is still valid. If you belong to a church and advocate counter to its principles and beliefs….. that’s heresy.
Is it heresy to oppose the Republican platform?
Why are we in to heresy? I could care less about heresy. Heresy comes and heresy goes. Also I am a bastard in the eyes of the church already so what difference would it possibly make to me.
Heck…I just realized….according to the Catholic Church, the ENTIRE Episcopalian church and the Anglican Church before it heretical.
That would be correct.
Married priests, ony 2 sacrements, no transubstantiation. Anglicans and Episcopalians are just JV Catholics.
@Cargosquid
Well, are you suggesting the Reformation shouldn’t have happened? Should indulgences still be sold? Should we still hold to the notion that Galileo was wrong?
Maybe moderning up is a good idea if we don’t want to be members of the flat earth society.
The Epicopalian church first ordained women in the early 70’s. Gay priests were accepted about 5-7 years ago. A schism resulted. Their loss. I know people who left.
I also knew people who left who had a gay son. They were in denial. Go figure. He wasn’t trying to become a priest but you would think people wouldnt be so clueless.
This lady jumped all over my mother for reading Rita Mae Brown mysteries.
@Cargosquid
As for the Catholic church, there were gays around long before the Catholic Church was established. I think it is time that we stop making people feel like “others” because of who they love. I really don’t think that is part of God’s plan. I don’t presume to know what God thinks but I don’t think he hates gays. it just seems too un-God-like.