I am unsure how the women in Virginia will now have access to legal and safe abortion. The reversal of a previous ruling by the Virginia Board of Health, due to the bullying tactics our Attorney General, Ken Cuccinelli, puts all LEGAL abortion clinics in an untenable position to operate. Naral Virginia explains the consequences of the Boards actions.
On Friday, September 14, the Virginia Board of Health defied the recommendations of legal and medical experts in voting 13-2 to subject existing women’s health centers to burdensome buildings regulations. After months of pressure tactics by Attorney General Cuccinelli, the Board reversed its earlier decision to grandfather in existing clinics and exempt them from the medically unnecessary regulations. If signed into law, these regulations will force up to twenty women’s health centers in Virginia to shut down.
“We are stunned by today’s vote, and extremely disappointed in the thirteen Board of Health members who decided to put political ideology before evidence-based scientific fact,” said Tarina Keene, Executive Director of NARAL Pro-Choice Virginia. “Hundreds of voices were silenced today.”More than 300 pro-choice advocates were shut out of the vote, despite repeated requests to move the meeting to a location that could accommodate public discussion. Among those denied the chance to speak were several legal and constitutional experts, set to testify that in rejecting the Board’s June vote, Attorney General Cuccinelli had exceeded his authority and undermined the Board’s decision-making power. Several physicians and clinic advisors were also blocked from testifying on behalf of the nearly 200 Virginia doctors who urged the Board to reject political pressure and protect women’s access to essential medical care.
Don’t forget vasectomies are done out-patient. My husband said that a vasectomy is far more invasive than abortion. snip snip
Hundreds of voice were silenced today. But maybe a few will live to have a voice.
Slow,
You are pro choice, what is your deal? I don’t get it 🙁
HE says he is pro choice. It doesn’t make it so.
Not in my world he isn’t.
Just call us Saudi Arabia where women are economically at the mercy of male rule. If women can’t control their reproductive rights, we have no individual power.
Sucks when the govt decides to regulate you, eh?
I thought y’all were all pro-big government regulation of the free market?
Why did you think that? What is it we want regulated? meat inspection? drinking water?
Who is benefiting from these new regulations Marinm? Not women for sure. I am sure you are unaware that many clinics ALSO offer comprehensive womens health care, like cancer screenings and oh yeah, contraception! Who was effing moron that thought closing clinics was a good idea? Oh yeah, pro life conservatives. I am disgusted. Sing it loud and clear conservatives what hypocrites you are.
“Oh yeah, pro life conservatives. I am disgusted. Sing it loud and clear conservatives what hypocrites you are.”
Pot, meet the kettle.
You all have no issue pushing big government solutions for “problems”, advocating for bigger regulations for business.
So, whats the problem here. You got what you wanted. Government regulating business.
But because this is something YOU care about suddenly its about a (faux) “war on women” or how govt should be limited and stay out of things… I think I’ll believe either of you on this issue when you start advocating for limited govt on things you may not directly support.
@marinm
Grow a vagina and then I’ll take your opinion of what is good for women seriously. Gun regs, food inspections, building codes are not comparable to trying to control the actual bodies of women. Maybe we women should decide whether any individual man gets to meet the big “snip”. Then you might have a somewhat comparable situation.
Wow, I am shocked by your diatribe. Allow me to illuminate you since nothing you said made sense. If women were dying or there WAS a F@#cking problem, I would advocate regulations. Understand! There is no problem, women are not suffering, there is no need for more reglations. Does this make sense to you? There are regulation in clinics, a f#$cking chef cannot perfom an abortion, an licensed MD must perform the procedure. I am so fed up with the stupid blather from the right when a logical explanation eludes them.
@Censored bybvbl
Great come-back!!! LOL
Rand Paul endorsing Cuccinelli…..
Didn’t McDonnell shut him down at the start?
There ARE other Republicans for those that can’t separate the person from the party. This guy is a kook. His biggest donor was/is a thief and there’s a warrant out for him. He supported parishes splitting from a diocese keep donated items/funds and he wants to clothe the woman on the state seal? The Victorians made covers for piano legs – they thought the bare limbs of the piano legs were indecent.
His actions are most certainly the reflection of his chaotic mind….
Man y’all hate it when your pal – Government – throws down regs for something y’all support.
“We do believe you can use government in a good way, Government is the only thing that we all belong to.”
I’ve said this many times before. When you give Government the power to have power and dominion over us it’s only a matter of time before they come after something you support.
“First they came after the…”
I am pretty anti abortion, but I see that the intent is not pure. Cuccinelli is not concerned about the well being of women who choose to end a pregnancy. There’s a difference.
@Marinm
Puhleese!!! I’ll bet you’re indirectly drawing a paycheck from Uncle Sam. Don’t be such a hypocrite. You’ll want overtime if the regs say you should have it. I’ll bet that you want my tax dollar to pay for your kiddos’ school as well. And you want it to be safe!
Nothing compares to trying to regulate women. This ruse of wanting safer clinics when the present ones haven’t been proven to be unsafe is transparent in its intent. Mediocre men want special privileges….they want those damn women out of the work force so that they can shine! Better men can compete on their merits but the wing-nuts (the Cuccinellis) of the workforce can’t.
Having stepped away to laugh with my kids, I believe I can be less angry at the shocking amount of ignorance being displayed by someone (i.e. Marinm)whom I believe is actually NOT ignorant.
First, no one on this blog has ever suggested, at least that I can EVER recall, that government was the fix to all that ails this nation. What I believe we have advocated is a rational use of government to protect people from corporations that pollute without conscience, banks that risk the collective wealth while maintaining their own riches, and politicians that presume to push their religious values onto a Republic that has codified a distinct seperation of Church and State. I believe government intercedes when there is a measureable problem, i.e. pollution, healthcare costs, banking abuse, foreign policy, etc.
What is this stupid “ya’ll” talk, what purpose does it serve? Is it a joke that women seeking legal and safe abortions may now suffer the INTENDED consequences of this over reaching legislation? What are the consequences? Well, first of all, that what could have been a first trimester abortion could be delayed. That women who use the clinics that support well woman health exams won’t be as available. That women, those that are already economically vulnerable, will be forced to bear children they do not want nor can they afford.
How about this Marinm, instead of “jumping around” thumping your chest, explain why conservatives are so willing to dismantle their sacred cloak of anti government intrusion just to prevent a woman from controlling her own body? Its your turn to explain your hypocritical stand point.
“Don’t be such a hypocrite.”
I’m not. I’m pointing out that you are. Well, that many people on here are.
How many debates and threads have we have where the central idea for debate really was; how intrusive should the govt be? I advocate that it should not be. You advocate that it should. In this case, government is adopting a rule/law to protect people (women) from corporations (healthcare providers). Normally you’d probably cheer for a regulation coming from up high on the mountain that is government. But, because its regulating something YOU care about suddenly its INTRUSIVE GOVERNMENT!!
Yup. Not buying it.
“What is this stupid “ya’ll” talk, what purpose does it serve?”
That is how I normally speak and sometimes write. So I obviously would care to not be called stupid for my regional dialect.
“How about this Marinm, instead of “jumping around” thumping your chest, explain why conservatives are so willing to dismantle their sacred cloak of anti government intrusion just to prevent a woman from controlling her own body?”
You ASSUME I support the legislation. While I support it in spirit (less babies dying is a good thing) I think its an over reach because government SHOULD NOT be regulating healthcare AT ALL. No regulation.
The thumping on my chest is my mocking everyone on here that bemoans the government for passing a regulation on corporate ‘Merica when you refuse to do the same for other regulations. TAX THE RICH! TAX THE CHURCH! ..y’all got burned by the Government that you favor over individualism.
So, I’ll sit here in my chair and enjoy this moment. I may even go and buy a pumpkin spice latte to savor this moment. Hopefully at least one of you will realize that maybe Government isn’t the solution – that its the problem.
FWIW, anyone of y’all want to go watch Atlas Shrugged with me? I will pay the ticket price and share (socialism!) popcorn…..
Ladies, I’m absolutely with you on this. There are thos men, like marinm, who nare so threatened by women, they do everything they can to “keep them in their place.” Contolling their bodies isd the supreme example of this. Their ignorance of a woman’s reproductive system as something other than a baby machine and a pleasure zone is overwhelming. They know nothing of the health needs, so distinctly different from those of men and they don’t want to know. The mocking language is another way of showing disdain for whatever the issue(s) at hand is/are–in this case women’s right to make decisions about their own bodies and their health and whether people who are against the overreaching of governent on these issues are getiing their “just due” for wanting government in charge things. Of course they are incapable of separating things like safe water and food, clean air, safe travel, advancements in science and medicine from those areas where government has clearly overstepped. It is the duty of those who do understand the difference to put people into office who are of like mind.
Y’all is found in the Philippenes. “ye awe” was also a Scot-Irish expression brought to The South.
“Their ignorance of a woman’s reproductive system as something other than a baby machine and a pleasure zone is overwhelming.”
You forgot sandwich making.. Very important.
@marinm
I didn’t know I was involved in the conversation. I can’t even mind my own business and escape the assylum.
Some business needs regulating. Let’s see, SEC needs a little regulation. The keeps everyone but Congress from insider trading so the rest of us get screwed. It also keeps us from financial preditors like Bernie Madoff, in theory. Every once in a while someone gets by.
Marin, I am going to suggest that you are actually too young to have experienced what real bastards can do to you when you aren’t watching. A little regulation isn’t a bad thing and that includes from the medical community. You have young children. How much lab work and testing of various new infant stuff did you have done? Do you want all those machines measuring this that and the other regulated to a standard or do you want the medical community buying up the cheapest crap on the blog and some lab falsifying results to you?
This is when a little sinister age and treachery kicks in. I don’t go all goo goo eyes over Ayn Rand. I lived through the 50’s. A little thalidamide in the old medicine chest, some DDT to get the bugs out of your house, mercury in the medicne your parents put on your boo boos, polio with no cure, nuclear fall out in factories and in the air because there is no…dirty word coming up, regulation.
Maybe Prince William County will sneak a house of sex abusers in next door to you and not tell your family. Maybe rabid dogs or coyotes will roam your neighborhood. You can pull out your big bad gun and shoot the dogs–when you are home. What are you going to do while you are at work?
I honestly don’t think you have thought much of what you have said through. Obviously you haven’t thought through insulting Elena and me.
No, you aren’t a hypocrite, you are just wet behind the ears and have a great deal to learn.
I don’t really think you carry enough weight on the subject to get truly angry.
Meanwhile, listen to Lyssa. It is obvious to her what is going on and I am willing to bet she and I are lightyears apart on this subject.
@marin
If you plan to have a vasectomy you will find that it is far more intrusive than abortion and is nearly always done out patient. It involves lots of chopping and bleeding and anesthesia near your man parts. I sincerely hope the physician who performs the surgery has passed the medical boards and conforms to the environmental standards involving disposal of human tissue, correct setting for sterilizing instruments, etc. Otherwise you are going to be walking around pretty gingerly No dead babies…just firing blanks–after a while.
Are you so naive that you think the insurance companies are on your side? bwaaahahahahahaa
They aren’t. They will mop you and drop you. Guv keeps that from happening or it will. I thought Obama care protected everyone from the more abusive practice of the insurance industry. I don’t think it specifies men or women to protect.
As for the church thread…no conclusions were drawn. Don’t hang that on me. I saw the article and brought it here to discuss. No one cared. I was not advocating taxing it or not taxing it. I didn’t have an opinion.
One of the saddest cases involving insurance I have ever heard involved a woman I am going to call Susie..not her real name. Susie was married to a man named Kenny who acquired a congential disease that he also passed on to both of his children. It was a serious disease that required intestinal removal and all sorts of other horrible things. Susie worked night and day, trying to pick up the slack. Her husband was no longer able to work. The insurance maxed out. One of her children also had full blown whatever the disease was. The son did not…but carried the gene. He was a nut case because of fear of getting it.
So Susie has a critically ill husband, a handicapped daughter and a son in extreme pscychological distress. She embezzled from her employer and lost her job. What does a person do? Give up? Run away? Embezzle?
I am not sure if the woman still lives around here or not so I intentionally left some parts vague. Her life was over. I don’t know what ever became of her. What does a person do? Do we need govt regulation to keep insurance companies from vulturing this family? yes.
I really don’t care if you think women should or should not have access to safe, legal abortion. Only 2 people are under your thumb. Your wife obviously choses to be. Forever? Who knows. Your daughter? Until she is 18.
You are too young of a man to be so seriously set in your ways about so many wrong ideas. Put down Ayn Rand. She should be no one’s hero.
One last thing …don’t F— with Elena or me over this. Neither of us consider it a laughing matter. In my mind, Cuccinelli’s refusal to certify the report of the board is criminal and he should go to jail. He can’t pick and chose policy to suit his belief system. He will never move into the governor’s mansion. That is a given.
Sorry, it said Cargo. Not aimed at Cargo
@Lyssa
My brother went to the Phillipines on a fishing trip last month. He caught a fish that looked exactly like Nimo.
While I may agree with Cuccinelli in some (quite few actually) areas I think he’s shown that he is willing to operate in an unethical manner to achieve a desired outcome. No one need welcome me to a global place or the 21st century….I don’t accept that MO. From my kids or from elected officials.
Unless you fear for your life, it’s all about the how.
A clown fish–they taste funny!
And wriggle and wriggle and tickle inside you….? I mean y’all.
@marinm
Ayn Rand (Atlas Shrugged) is someone you can be proud of. She personifies the Republican mantra : I got mine, you get yours
Ayn Rand came to the US under the premise of visiting relatives. She overstayed her Visa by about 6 years until she married an American.
I read three of her books – AS – twice. Can’t help but be amused at the “masses” who claim to be followers….let alone understand her philosophy.
“If you plan to have a vasectomy you will find that it is far more intrusive than abortion and is nearly always done out patient.”
I’m not.
1. Vasectomy’s can be reversed. An abortion can’t.
2. Vasectomy makes it so that sperm doesn’t reach the intended target. An abortion kills a life. Or, in some peoples view (of abortion) property.
So there is a slight difference……
“Some business needs regulating.”
And apparently the Board of Health believes abortion clinics need regulation.
“I really don’t care if you think women should or should not have access to safe, legal abortion.”
Except that I do – that I agree with you – but you ignore that every time.
“Do we need govt regulation to keep insurance companies from vulturing this family?”
No. Sounds like she didn’t cover her risk by getting a supplemental policy prior to or having enough assets available to draw from. Or to have a familial support structure that she could fall back on.
“Only 2 people are under your thumb. Your wife obviously choses to be. Forever? Who knows. Your daughter? Until she is 18.”
Really? Trying to make this personal? Yes, my wife, daughter and son are stuck with me. Thats the thing with being a non-white family. We’re in it forever and they don’t get kicked out at 18. Even after I ship them off to VMI (I am allowing the girl to go to college for her degree in MRS..) they are welcome back.
“You are too young of a man to be so seriously set in your ways about so many wrong ideas. Put down Ayn Rand. She should be no one’s hero.”
40 is getting closer and closer.. A friend of mine gave me a Who Is John Galt? bumper sticker which I promptly put on my Honda. I’m getting DON’T TREAD ON ME license plates for my wifes minivan. And she’s ok with it! I think the conversion is going well. She’s starting to question the government more….
“Are you so naive that you think the insurance companies are on your side?”
Side? No. Of course not. They are just a company. As long as they follow their contract with me I have no issue. If they don’t I *do* want the government to step in and act as the impartial referee.
@Lyssa, I’ve started reading Anthem to the kids. 🙂
I wasn’t comparing abortion to vasectomy as a moral issue. Vasectomy isn’t always reversible. In fact, most of the time it isn’t. Check with your urologist as to why. Reversibility isn’t the issue here. I was actually speaking of invasiveness of the procedure. If that makes you squeamish, select another invasive procedure. How about 4 wisdom teeth removed or foot surgery–like bone spurs removed. If you are dead, none of it really matters, now does it?
And if you think the board of health really believes that it needs regulating, I have a bridge for sale. Is that before or after they don’t think it needs regulating? They were bullied.
I ignore your schizophrenic comments about abortion because they lack conviction. You change ever minute. It isn’t worth my effort to determine which hat you are wearing. Unlike a person who just has mixed feelings which describes most people, you seem to think it is an issue to goad with. Abortion rights and reproductive rights are decided law. Clowns like Cuccinelli and yes, Bob McDonnell, want to play funny money with established law. I hate the sneakiness more than anything.
Are you one of those parents that puts them out at 18 and feels justified in doing so?
Are you one of those parents that puts them out at 18 and feels justified in doing so?
You’re about 25 years behind on the bumper sticker…oh I just have to laugh.
As for the kids, try the Caldecott lists….more of an investment.
No. Re-read #30.
Well it was the use of the word “allow”. In addition your overuse of the word “I” is in direct conflict with your announcement that you were reading Anthem. Look up Caldecott yet?
Yup. Picture books. Interesting. I think I’ll stick with the Sesame Street and Ms Rand.
My apologies for grammar errors. I went to public school.
Oh dear god …well there you go. Class divides.
ding ding ding , Marinm finally shows his true self. This legislation ISNT about the safety of women, it IS about morally legislating the masses based upon your opinion. It’s about the unborn fetus’s he wants to save but NOT pay for in taxes. LOVE the hypocrisy, its so blatent. Government, in the philosphy of the right, forces their values on you but doesn’t want to pony up the dollars when they take away your choice.
@Elena
You are wrong.
While my moral belief is that less abortions are better I *still support your right to do it*. Read that over a few times.
I just don’t think the Government should be in the business of advocating for or against it. I think its more appropriate for people to advocate outside of the Government to save children.
Again, because you all are connecting the dots here, I think Cooch is WRONG here because I don’t think the govt should regulate healthcare AT ALL.
You are right tho on the whole ‘pony up the dollars’ thing.
The Government burned you all (nod to Lyssa) on passing a ‘regulation’ that you all (nod to Lyssa) don’t agree with but have no issue if it was a regulation against the evil corporate america for something else.
Moon you bring up one of my favorite observations about “conservative right to lifers”.
This mornings readings……
James 2:14-18
New International Version (NIV)
Faith and Deeds
14 What good is it, my brothers and sisters, if someone claims to have faith but has no deeds? Can such faith save them? 15 Suppose a brother or a sister is without clothes and daily food. 16 If one of you says to them, “Go in peace; keep warm and well fed,” but does nothing about their physical needs, what good is it? 17 In the same way, faith by itself, if it is not accompanied by action, is dead.
18 But someone will say, “You have faith; I have deeds.”
Show me your faith without deeds, and I will show you my faith by my deeds.
@marinm
marin said:
She had what was available to her. It wasn’t unusual at all for there to be lifetime caps on insurance. That is one thing Obama care did away with.
There is nothing that protects a person from what happened to this family. Having health care coverage that doesn’t cut out on you in the middle is the only change. That’s about the only way to get insurance companies to do what they are supposed to do…legislation. They have a lot more powerful lobbyists than you do.
In fairness, the above happened 20 some years ago.
@marinm
I have no problem with govt having some regulation in the field of heath care. Don’t you want your dentist to be licensed? What’s to keep someone from coming over frmo pakistan with a pair of plyers, setting up shop and ripping out teeth.
Again, we are looking for balance.
I don’t mind the framework provided by Roe vs. Wade. Again, balance. At what point do decisions stop being just the woman and her doctor?
Its the over-reach that is wrong.
Adoption? Should the govt be involved at all or do we just rely on private adoption? How about people who just steal babies and sell them to the highest bidder? How about people who have them to sell? How about those who keep their daughters pregnant to sell babies? Babies are worth a lot of money.
Moon,
You are suggesting being reasonable in thought. What are you thinking?
@Elena
The issue being you define what reasonable is. What’s reasonable for me is less government regulation.
Of course Government passes a regulation and you aren’t happy because its your pet issue. But when Government passes a regulation on something else that isn’t — silence.
So, yes I am mocking everyone here. Not because something passed that I disagree with but because it brilliantly exposed sunlight where I think it ought to shine — on the left that pushes for civil liberties as defined by the party and not with what is right.
Interesting take
http://www2.timesdispatch.com/news/virginia-politics/2012/sep/16/tdmet01-schapiro-cuccinelli-was-just-doing-his-job-ar-2208811/