Great balls of fire. You really have to be kidding me. I had to see it for myself.
I had read that Jackson also suggested that “enhanced interrogation” be codified and that members of the CIA and Military would be protected from prosecution if they should use this method of questioning. I think that he suggested legalized torture. Have I misread something here?
Pardon me. This candidate is simply unacceptable. What WERE they thinking?
Did he compare Planned Parenthood to the KKK?
I think I’ll tiptoe on off and vote for Dr. Ralph Northam, thank you very much!
1009 should read 2009. This did not happen pre-Norman Conquest.
O.K., Moon, I’ll withdraw the “wizard” and give you both the “Kleagle” and the “Exalted Cyclops” in his local KKK unit. Personally I couldn’t give a darn what the Dems did with him. You’re the one who asked if a KKK wizard could run for office. Ask and thou shalt receive. Sorry I fell short on the “wizard” bit, but I suggest a one-time “Exalted Cyclops” and proud of it back then could serve the purpose.
Moon, suggesting that the Repubs want to put Blacks back into chains doesn’t let Joe Biden make the cut for the “nut” team?! Oh, well, maybe next time he’ll say something really weird —— like what accent to use when patronizing a 7-11.
ah that foot in mouth down near Danville. It really sounds a lot better in context but I understand why you, as a Republican, wouldn’t like what he said.
Do you think that EW jackson really believes what he said or do you think he is just putting his foot in his mouth?
These kinds of statements come from two kinds of people. There are some that are smart enough to know that what they’re saying is utter nonsense, but who make a calculated decision to trade politically in this sort of rhetoric because they assess that there are a lot of gullible voters who eat it up. The other type of pol is the one who is as ignorant as the people whose votes he seeks. Of the two, I tend to favor the former over the latter, even though there is a fairly high level of personal mendacity and lack of concern for the welfare of the country or Commonwealth involved in playing this kind of game with voter seduction. I think Cuccinelli is definitely in the first category. Where Jackson stands is something that I’ll have to educate myself on as the campaign develops. I know very little about him. I am less inclined to vote for someone who really believes his over-the-top rhetoric than I am for an opportunistic, but intelligent pol who is simply scamming the yobs.
I am not sure about him either, Scout. He seems like a likeable person until he says some of his outrageous stuff. He is a charismatic, gifted speaker. I contrast him to Sen. Cruz who does not seem like a nice person under any circumstances.
Bottom line, E W Jackson is a nut.
Cruz, I think, is a very smart guy. I give him full credit for not believing a word he’s saying. He’s just gathering low info votes and playing to the part of his electorate that likes to be scared. It’s the same psychology that makes teenagers go to horror films.
I can’t argue with that. I am still laughing over the teenagers and horror films.
I never figured out why I loved them as a kid and hate them now. Doh me. I liked being scared. Now I know its a scary world out there so why would I want to be scared for pleasure.
Wolverine, I suggest you vote for him. You’ll be one of the few. Even most Republicans know a “nut” when they see one…
Well, thank you very much, middleman. You are such a sweet person. Perhaps I should endeavor to imitate your ways. Who better to flatter with imitation than a “leftwing extremist nutball?” Did I get that right, or is there something more I should add in order to secure membership in the ad hominem sewer? How about “freak”? Maybe I could work that in somewhere. Sort of like Blue Virginia, where they started off reporting on the Repub convention by calling it a “freak show.” You lefties are so damned kind and loveable. I can hardly stand it.
BTW, when are you going to do the right thing and give Alex Seitz-Wald of Salon proper credit for much of that E. W. Jackson commentary list of yours?
Most interesting how you fellers always give Joe Biden a pass by excusing his words and actions as foot-in-mouth or simply temporary gaffes. Wonder how big his gaffe dictionary has to get before you start addressing the state of his mental health in your own special way.
It isn’t a pass. No one excuses his words. We have said he has foot in mouth problems. I certainly don’t think his mental health is in question and I am somewhaat shocked that you would suggest such a thing.
Basically, I approved of his legislation in the past and his policies as a VeeP.
At least he hasn’t said antone is a perv because someone is gay.
If Biden runs for LG of the Commonwealth, the comparison will have some force. Otherwise, we have Bishop Jackson to focus on for the next few months.
Oh, come off it, Scout. The liberal Dems spend almost every waking moment trying to scare the crap out of voters. They are the absolute experts extraordinaire of that political chicanery. You can take that to the bank from this conservative, who wants to beat the crap out of women’s vaginas; choke all the kids to death with polluted air; make every son of a buck in the country die from bad water; put all those Blacks back on the plantation; starve the old people to death; turn the whole country into a shooting gallery, and drag everybody up to the church altar on pain of being put to the rack until they cry out for mercy and agree to confirmation. Darn. That’s a big job of work. I had better get cracking.
Then there are the Republicans, some who wax poetic about everything that is wrong with America and American society.
Many, not all, preach about the government staying out of people’s business and then turn right around and try to regulate the most personal of decisions.
Some fight the idea of abortion and some even fight contraception access. Some of those same people close their wallets when it comes to providing help for those very children brought into the world. Some scoff at the notion of free lunch or the SNAP program.
I don’t want the govt making deeply personal decisions for me. I also would like to have decent water and clean air. I have enough breathing difficulties as it is. Some old people are malnurished. They sometimes have to decide between medicines and food.
yes, I do think some people are invasive with their religion. I also think it is a private matter and I don’t necessarily want to have to practice youe religion in a public meeting. Now if you invite me to your church, I have a choice. At a public meeting I do not.
The difference here is, I am not being sarcastic.
@Scout
Based purely on your description, regardless of party, does that mean that you’d rather vote for a liar than an honest man standing behind principles that he believes in, if you feel he is ignorant?
Really?
Who are some honest men running for office, in your opinion?
I don’t know about that, Scout. Biden is making noises about running for POTUS in 2016. Best not to wait when putting together the gaffe dictionary for future use. Time flies. If Hillary decides not to run……..
Fred Phelps or Joe Biden?
Yeah, Cargo , you pretty much have me sized up. I hate it that the state of politics in America leaves me in that position, but your summary is generally accurate. I might make exceptions depending on the issues involved. My theory is that an intelligent man (we could use Cruz or Cuccinelli for examples) who spouts utter nonsense as a means of sweeping up votes from ignorant, easily manipulated people, at least has the intelligence potentially to do the right thing in a pinch. There’s a chance that the national interest or the interests of the residents of the Commonwealth might come out on top in some circumstances. In contrast, someone who spouts the same nonsense and actually believes it is not going to be able to make sound decisions (unless it is by random chance) in a crisis. So, generally speaking, I do not find it disqualifying that someone is a calculating snakeoil salesman. I don’t think Romney believed much of what he was saying about fiscal policy, and I respected him for it. If he had been elected, I think he would have had the guts and the knowledge to abandon his campaign rhetoric. A true believer has to wear it all the way through and doesn’t have enough information and/or intelligence to even understand the harm he does.
Wolve (2007), because I’ve got long and deep Republican roots, I don’t spend much time with what Democrats are doing. My focus tends to be within the Republican Party. As a conservative, a lot of what really gets me going is the perversion of sound, educated conservative doctrine into nothing more serious than a kind of stupid pet tricks approach to snagging votes.
Rockefeller is dead, Scout. So is Bill Buckley. The landscape has changed. Take no prisoners seems to be the order of the day on both sides. Stupid pet tricks is standard fare no matter what side you are on.
Bite your tongue! I am still in mourning over First Dog Barney. It has only been 2 months.
I’m waiting for the second coming of Buckley. Rockefeller I wasn’t as keen on, but I approve of his manner of exit from this life.
More seriously, governance in a Republic is serious business. I’m just a guy with a keyboard, but I refuse to take seriously or give any respect to pols who cannot think seriously about the skills and discipline of governing the Republic well.
So the choice of Fred Phelps – honest man with – err – principles versus Joe Biden – identified here as a liar – results in ???
Would you really pick Phelps using the man of principle argument?
OOh, Wolverine- I see where you get your name! Talk about sticks and stones! Now I’m starting to think YOU’RE a nut job! ;-}
The difference between Biden and this Jackson nut that is apparently lost on you is that Biden’s gaffes are GAFFES! The Jackson nut apparently believes what he says. Again, Goofy Biden’s are mis-speak and Jackson’s are intentional. See the difference?
Even the Washington Times, that liberal bastion, is calling the “Jackson Team” “A colossal, destructive, and depressing joke.”
Again, if the Dems had ANY viable candidate, he’d be a shoo-in now.
Lyssa — Fred Phelps? What the heck are you going on about?
Geez, middleman, don’t start to lose it now. — just when I was beginning to enjoy distracting a super liberal from his self-appointed rounds. Bothers you to be called out and receive counterfire, doesn’t it? Welcome to reality. Some of us do hit back.
You think E.W. Jackson is a “nut.” You think anyone who might vote for Jackson is a “nut.” I’ll wager that the Jackson side thinks you and yours are all leftwing “nuts.” Nuts here, nuts there, nuts everywhere. It’s one big nuthouse. Now, Good Lord, go and give Alex his author credit and be done with the ad hominem crap.
Actually many people think that E. W. Jackson is a nut, and that includes many Republicans. Today, for example, he tweeted that gays were icky.
People are certainly free to feel that gays or anyone else is icky. I am not so sure they get to hold the second highest office in the Commonwealth if they express their feelings. The voters, however, will determine.
I will continue to hammer away at how unfit Jackson is to serve as Lt. Governor.
The question posed by Cargo,was why wouldn’t you vote for an honest man with principles albeit far from your own versus a liar. So I put Fred Phelps up against Biden.
My guess is that if a some people abdicate thinking and decision making to the lever in the voting booth then some people will end up voting for a nut and they already resent that.
Lighten up, dude.
@Moon-howler
Unbelievable. He’s the new Todd Aiken – most real Republicans are furious over this man setting the party back. Man of principle – who the hell thinks that? He’s destructive.
Yes. Once he runs for the 2nd highest office in Virginia, he is not longer an agent unto himself.
He will become a gift that keeps on giving to the late night comedians for starters.
As a born and bred Virginian, I am just embarrassed.
You just can’t speak your mind when you run for office. If you think gays are icky, have the manners not to say it aloud. I don’t care how he feels about gays. Anyone who runs for office will have gays as constituents. That office seeker owns courtesy, decency and equal treatment to all the constituents.
On the flip side Anthony Weiners staff put up a website today with Pittsburgh not NYC as the backdrop. Some things are just better than fiction.
Lighten up, Lyssa? Heck, I’m just warming up. It’s downright fun to joust with flustered libs in between innings of the Obama scandals. However, I must admit I was curious about why you might want to resurface that old Democrat Fred Phelps. I see your gist now. Hmmm, as I recall, back in the early 1990’s, that feller got over 30% of the vote in the Kansas Dem primary for US Senate.
If I disagree with you I’m a liberal? If I call E W Jackson a nut, I’m a liberal? You make me laugh. Can’t answer, eh? Having the courage of your convictions can be very hard.
Pax.
Lyssa, I know you to be a moderate, for the most part. However, there are worse things to be than a liberal.
Speaking of nut cases, did you see the Code Pink Woman shouting down the president? I would have hauled her crazy ass out of there so fast. He was too patient. I don’t think what she said was crasy. I think her behavior was.
Well, Lyssa, in terms of this particular discussion, if it walks and quacks like the proverbial duck….but, if you want to disabuse me of that idea, feel free. Pax back at ya.
@Moon-howler
Just an observation of that particular thought process.
The labels are meaningless. They explain nothing and are easily misapplied. When someone resorts to sticking a label on another commenter, as opposed to addressing the content of their views, he/she has conceded whatever point he’s trying to advance.
Wolverine, you appear to have fallen back on that sad tactic that folks use when they can’t or won’t argue the facts- childish name-calling and accusations.
Wolverine, you appear to have fallen back on that sad tactic that folks use when they can’t or won’t argue the facts- childish name-calling and accusations.
I never said that anyone who votes for Jackson is a nut, I said Jackson is a nut. In response to me listing actual quotes from Jackson, you’ve called me a racist, a “leftwing extremist nutball” and a “freak.” You call that “counter-fire,” but it’s really just a diversion tactic from someone with no ammo.
Have a great holiday!
Middleman — Did you not catch the nuance of those posts, lad? Understand that I was not calling you those names. I was simply suggesting to you via a little demonstration how the ad hominem game can very often turn on you. As Scout has so rightly stated, the whole damned thing is utterly meaningless. Instead of winding up in a possibly productive discussion, you wind up hurling meaningless nothings at each other. Nice that.