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The answer remains very unclear. Obviously they know that they can’t block the ACA. Attempting to fund the government piecemeal just won’t work. It’s absurd to try. The question remains, what do they want? Why not pass a clean CR so we can move on. No one, including them, really knows what they want.
Congress-watchers say there are at least 20 republican votes in the house to pass the CR right now. Let’s do it. Holding funding hostage just isn’t the way to do business.
The budget sequestration was force upon them…and neither party actually expected the other not to blink..then did everything they could to avert it but it was too late.
Yes. Kerry is a traitor. As a Reserve Navy Officer, he aided and abetted the North Vietnamese is pushing their demands for a peace treating. This is not an opinion. Kerry is proud of his activism. Any officer that aids and abets the enemy in time of war is a traitor. He should have face court martial at the very least.
If he wanted to play activist, then he should have resigned his commission first. He is a disgrace to the Navy.
“As a Reserve Navy Officer, he aided and abetted the North Vietnamese is pushing their demands for a peace treating.”
Wow. He aided and abetted in youir opinion. Sure you don’;t have him confused with Jane Fonda? If Kerry’s a traitor, what does that makie Nixon and Kissinger? They decided to abandon the war effort altogether.
Kerry as a Reserve Lt, assisted the enemy in presenting their terms and even offered suggestions.
He had no duty as a diplomat. And our diplomats don’t suggest to the enemy what they should do against America.
Nixon and Kissinger were doing their duties.
@Rick Bentley
Oh..and he aided and abetted in Vietnam’s opinion too….he’s a hero there.
Yes, I believe Johnny’s photo is or was at one time in a place of honor in the Vietnam War Museum in Saigon –oops, I mean Ho Chi Minh City.
I find it offensive to speak of the secretary of state that way. Plenty of us opposed the war in Vietnam.
I find it offensive to be called a terrorist and hostage-taker by fellow Americans, much less American government appointed and elected officials. You can include “teabagger” in that as well; but, as much as that term is tossed out by liberal extremists these days, it amuses me to imagine how practiced these same people may be in that act.
@Cargosquid
Yes, it very much is an opinion.
I need for you and Wolverine to keep your opinion about John Kerry to yourselves while here. I will not have him swift-boated on this blog.
You are naturally entitled to your opinion. I just don’t want it here.
Wolverine, no one has called you a terrorist or hostage-taker.
Moon, do you want an echo chamber or a free wheeling debate here? The last time we had it out on this subject, you were trying to cut off any negative comments about Obama. If this is going to come up repeatedly, just change the blog banner to Dems Only and be done with it. John Kerry is just another politician who happens to have gotten an appointment to State. He is not sacrosanct.
He is being used as another shiny object and he has nothing to do with anything that is going on with any of the topics here.
Calling Kerry a traitor is a particularly offensive libelous thing to say. If you want to put that on other blogs, that’s not my business.
There really are only a few democrats on this blog. Neither owner is a democrat. How many democrats do you know who have voted for Richard Nixon, Ronald Reagan and George HW Bush?
Just because I wouldn’t pull the lever for a Republican at the state or national level doesn’t mean I am a democrat.
I haven’t cut off negative comments about Obama. I might have cut off some comments about Obama. I have cut off some comments about several people on this blog. I have also removed comments about people. it depends on the comments. I can think of several comments I took down because I didn’t like what was said about…oh gasp!!!!! local republicans. I felt the remarks were not only cruel but also libelous. Reminder who bears the risk for libelous comments: Elena and I bear that responsibility.
@Moon-howler
Fine…I won’t call him a traitor.
I will name him as the Secretary of State that aided and abetted the enemy during time of war and was awarded honors by the enemy state.
Being against the war is not the same as being a military member that aids and abets the enemy. THAT is the difference between people that you say were against the war and the Secretary.
And that is NOT an opinion. That is what he did. If you don’t consider that treason…. then what do you consider treason?
As for being terrorists, etc…… you aren’t watching the news apparently. My representatives in Congress are calling people that think like me “hostage takers that shoot hostages in the head,” “jihadists,” “terrorists,” “bomb throwers,” etc…. Whatever happened to that “civility” the Democrats keep prattling on about?
And while you are not “Democrats,” you seem to support EVERY program and every candidate.
I’ve been reflecting on why it is that debt and deficit (an issue for every single nation on the Earth – a fact of modern life) are perceived by Republicans as an issue that should ideally be confronted, during times when they are in power, but as the end of civilization and the harbinger of an impending apocolypse, when Democrats hold the Presidency.
Some liberals think its America’s racial fears and animus being projected onto Obama, but I don’t believe that. Clinton was white and similar levels of paranoia and out-of-touch-with-reality BS were developing when he was in charge. As soon as Clinton had presided over getting the budget deficit down to zero, we the people collectively voted in 2000 to start spending money we didn’t have again (tax cuts). And the GOP and their supporters cheered it on. Wars, drug giveaways, and more tax cuts and stimuli … where do we sign?
I think that the real driver is that Republicans, i.e. conservatives, i.e. people who tend towards being insular and resisting change, are greatly frustrated by the changing world and their inability to carve out a nice stationary place in it. Rather than learn to cope with the shifting sands of reality, they lean in towards false ideologies and simplistic solutions. That’s the root cause of all the irrational nonsense IMO.
Our government is going to grow. Our debt is going to rise and fall over time. For those who pathologically want us to shrink and try to “get the deficit down” to 2000 levels, by hurting the poor, while resisting efforts to grow or to correct problems (i.e. health care costs), who really believe that we can or should somehow move backwards into the past, I have no sympathy. You guys can sit and stew about debt and the end of civilization, and build bunkers and hoard gold. I don’t care.
For someone who supported Bush to now dress themselves up in “Tea Party” clothing and pretend that the Democrats are the problem, rather than looking honestly at their role in that deficit, is too ridiculous. It’s beyond discussion. It’s a pack of idiots blaming their own nature and negative acheivements on bogeymen.
And how rational is a political party that nominates a guy who insults 47% of America as his opening act? If they had anything real or interesting to say they would have said it by now.
The people who are shutting our government down, and whispering to each other about the political implications of a default, are the worst people in the nation. They are our scum, our negative creeps who always cheer against America. I’m going to try to enjoy the humor in watching them rant and rave and lose elections for the next 10-20 years. The country will become stronger and people’s lives better, and they won’t enjoy a moment of it – i.e. the 1990’s all over again. I lived through this pattern once and I recognize it now.
Fabulous, Rick. Standing ovation. The chickens have come home to roost.
Did you see the Jon Stewart skit about blaming the dog…?
Don’t retell it here. Bathroom humor is verbatim here and I rarely think its funny…but I make an exception with that skit.
I’ll tell you what was REALLY funny. Stephen Colbert’s segment (Thursday night maybe? or Wednesday) mocking FOX News’ new set with the 4-foot computer screens and the 38-foot video wall. An intrinsically funny thing, and he went full out on it.
Headed there now.
I’m realizing that I felt this way about life circa 2000. The American people more or less kind of voted to move away from fiscal responsibility and voted Bush in. It broke my heart, but I am an adapter; i went with the flow and tried to see some good in Republican policies. But the current level of negative, destructive tendency masked as rational political discourse is too much to bear.
Republicans, Bush voters – it was YOU who racked up the debt! It’s YOU who have been the enemy of financial responsibility! Don’t fool yourselves! I was there, I remember what happened. America managed to wipe out its budget deficit and you immediately took the new credit card out of the envelope and maxed it out! Quickly! Don’t pretend that it was somebody else! Obama for his part was barely out of college I think.
Looking at the video from today’s protest, it confirms the same old white man fright motivating this absurdity.
There is lots of memory lane about the great society under the democrats. That just isn’t going to stick now. We know who ran it up. Its just tired, old recycled rhetoric and the attempt to pass the buck.
Isn’t anyone embarrassed over that protest? It almost made me ashamed to be white. As far as the eye can see….white men and a few of their wimmin folk.
Actually, it might be a good place to pick up men for those women on the troll.