field of pumpkinsTime for the great count-down to Halloween with a field of jack-o-lanterns.  Some of those fellows look pretty ferocious!  Want pumpkin but don’t feel like carving?  Try some pumpkin flavor coffee, found at Starbucks or Dunkin Doughnuts.

International Delight and Baileys both make a pumpkin flavored creamer for your coffee.  Pepperidge Farm has wonderful pumpkin swirl bread.  If that isn’t decadent enough, there is pumpkin flavored cream cheese to finalize the pumpkin fix.  Pair it up with pumpkin swirl toast.  Enjoy!

110 Thoughts to “Open Thread…………………………..Thursday, October 24”

  1. Lyssa

    RCP shows Clinton eight points ahead of Paul Ryan and 22 points ahead of Cruz. Doesn’t say much for Cruz the person vs Cruz Mr TP.

  2. Kathleen Sebelius is testifying before Congress. So far, only Rep. Blackburn of Tenn. has been a nasty bitch.

  3. Carlos Danger

    Moon-howler :
    It’s not slapping me in the face one way or the other.
    Just think of how delighted you will be if something else screws up.

    Why would I be delighted? I hope it works, most likely it won’t but leave that aside, we are fucked if it doesnt. So I’m hopeful that somehow I’m completely wrong and will be the first to admit it. The only thing I’m saying is that if anyone thinks the whole “you can keep your insurance you can keep it” is a big deal then your a moron. That’s bush league shit, just wait for the major leagues when the employer mandate expires.

  4. Carlos Danger

    Like many on the left said today… the indidual market is a very small percentage (re: those whos insurance company is dropping their policy). Just wait until the majority, those who get employer sponsored health insurance, are negatively affected by ACA. The smartest thing President Obama ever did (which some would argue was illegal) was to suspend the employer mandate until AFTER the next election cycle or else the Democrats would have lost the Senate and even more ground in the house.

    At least this way they will most likely still control the senate and maybe stay at the same level, or only lose a few seats, in the house. If he didnt suspend the employer mandate, they would lose both easily.

  5. Second Alamo

    “The only thing I’m saying is that if anyone thinks the whole “you can keep your insurance you can keep it” is a big deal then your a moron.”

    It IS a big deal, because now one can’t take anything that the POTUS says as truth anymore since it has been proven to have hidden details that no one ever seems to bring forth until it’s too late. Like the guy that sells you a used car telling you all the good things about the car, but leaving out the fact that the transmission is about to go. You just can’t trust him as it’s been proven over and over.

    1. SA,so you think the Prez deliberately lied to trick people? To what advantage?

  6. Evidence that the Administration thinks that we are stupid and are playing us.

    Yes, yes…its a “right site” which is why they actually are bringing this to light.

    http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2013/10/good-grief-testimony-of-kathleen-sebelius-is-word-for-word-identical-to-testimony-of-cms-administrator-marilyn-tavenner/#disqus_thread

    1. Ah there you go away with that great Pulitzer publication, the Gateway Pundit…source of many inaccuracies.

  7. Carlos Danger

    @Second Alamo
    SA, I was referring to his promise when it comes to the small percentage of people on the individual market losing their insurance compared to the LARG number of people who will lose their insurance when the employer mandate kicks in.

    An estimated 93 MILLION people will lose their current coverage when that happens. Not my estimate, President Obama’s own estimate.

    ” It turns out that in an obscure report buried in a June 2010 edition of the Federal Register, administration officials predicted massive disruption of the private insurance market.”

    http://www.forbes.com/sites/theapothecary/2013/10/31/obama-officials-in-2010-93-million-americans-will-be-unable-to-keep-their-health-plans-under-obamacare/

  8. Steve Randolphva

    It Seemed Like A Good Idea At The Time Dept.

    Remember twenty years ago when the Manassas City Council
    voted to “move Halloween” from a school night to
    Friday evening. The result was a Big Boo from adults
    although the many kids who took the opportunity
    to Trick or Treat both nights seemed to think it was
    a grand idea.

    Never again.

    1. The best laid plans of mice and men and city councils.

  9. Lyssa

    Again, most of those lost plans are being replaced. These are the icky people none of us want in our pools – 47%. What they have now is sub-par. It is concerning regarding the rate increases and lack of competition in areas with populations lower than prince william (sarcasm)…

  10. Second Alamo

    Did it ever occur to our great leaders that the people who have lousy insurance policies are because they can’t afford better ones? Now that they’ve been kicked out of the lousy policies how do you expect them to pay for the “wonderfully” better Obamacare policies? Illegals are exempt from having to buy insurance, which means they are also exempt from any penalty. How the hell does that lower costs for taking care of them at the ER as has always been the case? It just doesn’t seem to pay to be a working citizen in this country anymore. Having a job just makes you a financial target for the feds.

  11. Wolverine

    Here’s one just for my old buddy Scout. I know he just eats these things up.

    Ron Calderon, member of the Calderon family so prominent in California state politics. Democrat. Former member of the CA State Assembly, current member of the CA State Senate, heads the State Senate committee for TV and the film industry. Caught in an FBI sting taking thousands of dollars in bribes for agreeing to some funny business involving the film industry.

    1. Why are you bear baiting Scout? I have never him mention the film industry.

      It sounds irrelevant to me.

  12. @Moon-howler
    And yet…they have copies of the actual testimony for each….and its IDENTICAL.

  13. @Moon-howler
    I think he lied so that he could pass ACA. The ends justifies the means for progressives.

    1. That is a very insulting thing for you to say about progressives.

      HE didn’t pass the ACA. You are confusing your branches of govt.

  14. @Moon-howler
    He signed it. He passed it.
    The Democrats in Congress also passed it.

    And if you read the histories of the progressive movement…. its true.

    1. Well, don’t insult people here, even if the “histories” do.

  15. Rick Bentley

    Current state of political dialogue in the U.S. :

    “We’re spending at a deficit! This is unsustainable! It’s immoral – we’re passing an unpayable bill on to our grandchildren! This is the DEATH of America! Time to start battoning up the hatches and investing in gold – the party’s , and this is the ABSOLUTE DEATH OF DECENCY”.

    “Well, we’re reducing government spending – sequestration introduced painful cuts to all agencies, and some of the recent excesses of the welfare system expired just today. Meanwhile we began taxing the rich at pre-Bush rates and are putting that money against the deficit – and each year’s deficit is coming down. Despite the huge burden we put onto ourselves with the 2008 stimulus. But, the debt is still real and we will need to collectively work together to reduce it further – back towards what we had 13 years ago, when we were in the black. How would you feel about raising taxes to pre-Bush levels? At all levels of income (to include Romney’s 47%)?”

    “Are you crazy? You can’t raise taxes! That’s un-American! Oh why oh why does no one have any practical solutions to offer! Don’t you understand that WE’RE ALL GOING TO DIE if this doesn’t stop, as SOCIALIST SLAVES killed by roving death panels? Don’t you understand that this Kenyan Muslim is trying to enslave us all? OH WHY OH WHY DOES NO ONE TAKE THIS PLIGHT SERIOUSLY? Thank God for Ted Cruz and Sarah Palin”.

  16. Pat.Herve

    @Second Alamo

    SA have you ever spoke to someone with some of these lousy policies that had to use them – some of these plans have a 10K cap on a hospital stay. After that the hospital can go after a person and send them to bankruptcy or the hospital can increase rates to cover the shortage – hence you and I pay for them having a lower level policy. Just like a home or auto policy, one does not know how good their health policy is until they need to use it.

    People with lower salaries can now get a subsidy to help pay for the better policy that they cannot afford right now.

  17. @Rick Bentley
    Its not being reduced.

    The treasury hit the debt ceiling and played games…thus the “lower” deficit. Add back the “one day” 328 billion that happened as soon as it was raised, and you hit that 1.2 trillion dollar deficit…..again.

    So basically, one side is filled with hyperbole and the other side is lying. Again.

  18. @Pat.Herve
    And those that can’t are getting stuck with impossible premiums and horrendous deductibles, while having insurance that is, at best, comparable to what they had before.

    93 million people do not have “crappy insurance.” And a bureaucrat has some nerve telling people that they know better than the citizen and that this is “for their own good.”

    1. Unless they are making a lot of money, they should be getting the tax credits to help them pay for it. Why aren’t they?

  19. Pat.Herve

    @Cargosquid

    It is the insurance companies CHOICE to discontinue those plans. And for years and years they have done it – especially when someone has made a claim – just like they do for homeowners and auto policies. What YOU are saying is that the Fed’s should have told the insurance company that they could not change those plans.

    what 93 million people are you talking about?

  20. Rick Bentley

    Cargo – the budget deficit, i.e. the difference between what we spend and what we take in (which is nearly all taxes), did diminish this year.

    This has to do with spending, and with taxes.

    http://www.usgovernmentspending.com/federal_deficit_chart.html

    1. Bet it woudnt be deficit if we took in more? Ya think?

  21. Rick Bentley

    The fact that we’re even arguing about something this clear-cut is a sign that at least one of us is so spun up by “red meat” and bs that they don”t even know what’s real anymore.

    Do you really believe that 93 million people are going to have worse insurance next year? That’s one out of every 3 Americans. Or are you arguing nonsense from the parallel universe of FOX News spin.

  22. Rick Bentley

    File “undoing Obamacare” away with other unworkable pipe dreams like a flat tax, privitizing Social Security, and doing away with the welfare system. They’re not realistic proposals; they’re unviable (and for good reasons).

  23. Rick Bentley

    (sorry, that last post was meant for another thread).

  24. @Rick Bentley
    The deficit dropped because the Treasury reached the debt ceiling back in May. If you add the one day borrowing that occurred the day after the ceiling was raised, $328 billion…it brings the total back to one billion dollars. Of course, now that it happened in THIS fiscal year….technically, the deficit did drop and we borrowed 328 billion for LAST YEAR, in this fiscal year.

    As for the quality of the plans…I don’t necessarily think that they will improve. As for where taht 93 million comes from…just using gov’t numbers.

    http://www.forbes.com/sites/theapothecary/2013/10/31/obama-officials-in-2010-93-million-americans-will-be-unable-to-keep-their-health-plans-under-obamacare/

    The idea that those 93 million all have “bad” policies NOW is what is ludicrous. Are you telling me that all those people hate their policies and are just itching to get new ones mandated by the gov’t? And who pays for the new, improved policies? Why…they do.

    @Pat.Herve
    Their CHOICE? When the gov’t states that plans must meet certain requirements? And why shouldn’t policies be allowed to adjust for costs, etc?

    http://investigations.nbcnews.com/_news/2013/10/28/21213547-obama-admin-knew-millions-could-not-keep-their-health-insurance
    Four sources deeply involved in the Affordable Care Act tell NBC NEWS that 50 to 75 percent of the 14 million consumers who buy their insurance individually can expect to receive a “cancellation” letter or the equivalent over the next year because their existing policies don’t meet the standards mandated by the new health care law. One expert predicts that number could reach as high as 80 percent. And all say that many of those forced to buy pricier new policies will experience “sticker shock.”

    None of this should come as a shock to the Obama administration. The law states that policies in effect as of March 23, 2010 will be “grandfathered,” meaning consumers can keep those policies even though they don’t meet requirements of the new health care law. But the Department of Health and Human Services then wrote regulations that narrowed that provision, by saying that if any part of a policy was significantly changed since that date — the deductible, co-pay, or benefits, for example — the policy would not be grandfathered.

    This means that ANY changes, including a premium increase of ONE penny, or slight change in terms, including improvements, means that they are cancelled.

  25. it brings the total back to one billion dollars

    TRILLION not Billion.

  26. http://kff.org/interactive/subsidy-calculator/

    Here’s an interesting tool.

    Plug in the numbers and you get to see what a person would be paying if he had to buy it and how much it would cost.

  27. Furby McPhee

    October sure was a crazy month. The first half of the month the GOP was getting hammered over the shutdown and couldn’t catch a break on anything. Exactly half way through the month (Oct 16) it switched and the Dems (Obama at least) got hammered on health care and the spying on the Europeans stuff.

    No real point, just kind of weird the way it was so balanced in one month.

    1. Furby, remember that the people pissed off at Obama are the people who didn’t like him to start with. All sorts of people are happy with their health care. For example, Censored and BS, Rick, both my kids, Mr. Howler and me. (we are especially happy because his high end rx’s are only half price out of pocket in the doughnut hole)

      Anyone else?

      This notion that most people are pissed off just doesn’t cut it. They aren’t. Some people are pissed off. My kids didn’t have to go into the exchanges. Their companies both provide the coverage they need and without raising rates to an outrageous level.

      I think its funny that just republican got screwed in the process. Any non republicans out there who got screwed by the ACA? Speak up.

  28. Second Alamo

    Can doctors refuse to take Obamacare insured patients? That would be a major issue for those 6 people who signed up the first day!

    1. I don’t think they have to take anyone they don’t want to take. I simply do not know.

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