From The Sheriff of Nottingham BlogSpot:
The Sheriff has learned that Chairman Stewart gave permission to Youth for Tomorrow, a taxpayer-funded non-profit serving at-risk youth in Prince William County, to open their doors to house children for Homeland Security that have been flown to Prince William County from Texas and other areas on the southern border.
This statement is an outright lie. It is not up to Corey Stewart to give permission or not give permission to Youth for Tomorrow. YFT is a private organization. YFT is also not a tax-payer funded organization. Does it get a grant like many other organizations in the county? Probably. So do lots of agencies and clubs that meet the criteria. However, most of the county money received by YFT is for services rendered.
One such example of these services would be if a child needed residential placement because Prince William County Schools could not provide the appropriate educational setting for this child. PWCS would pay the residential /educational fee to YFT, the same as it would pay to any other 24 hour facility. The court system, in conjunction with social services, might also place a child in the YFT setting. Either the state or the county would pay for those services. That to me, is not “tax-payer funded.
We get that The Sheriff and all he represents is out to excoriate, skewer, embarrass, and beat Chairman Corey Stewart by any means possible, regardless of who else is damaged in the process.
Stewart failed to disclose that Prince William County was a very “welcoming place” for illegals if housing them benefited his deep-pocket donors to his political campaigns. The Youth for Tomorrow leaders have done nothing wrong. They contribute to Corey Stewart on their own volition, and have the right to do so. The Youth for Tomorrow is rooted in deep Christian values, and needy children are their mission without regard for their immigration status.
Good job, Sheriff. In your glee and zealotry to put Stewart in his place, you have just exposed our community to the disharmony and discord we experienced back in 2007/2008. Perhaps your readers didn’t mention the thread and accompanying video, Story of America: Lawrenceville, filmed by Eric Byler, that we put up about a week ago about Lawrenceville, Virginia where a town hall meeting full of angry citizens bellowed, shook their fists, and went on diatribes for hours over the possibility of children being placed in an abandoned school there in that community. It was an incredibly ugly scene and we were shocked at some of the vitriol.
No, we didn’t know about Youth for Tomorrow providing a temporary home for some of these poor kids. Now everyone will know. What good does that do? These are CHILDREN. Little children far away from home and often far from their parents. These children are refuges, fleeing violence and a horribly uncertain life. Our hats are off to Joe Gibbs’ Youth for Tomorrow for providing this humanitarian assistance to children in crisis, regardless of country of origin or immigration status.
Shame on The Sheriff or whatever your names are, for throwing a spotlight on this organization. They are just trying to do the right thing, according to their religious values. Shame! Shame! Shame! Take your fight with Corey elsewhere. Don’t use children as your pawns to gouge at Corey and other board members. If there are protestors out there, guess who we will blame. You.
Let’s talk about what really happened. Another leak to The Sheriff. Although the information wasn’t private, it wasn’t necessarily in the public domain. Dr. Jones, CEO of Youth for Tomorrow paid a private call to each PWC supervisor advising that YFT was planning on providing respite for some of the immigrant children involved in our current border crisis, while they await a hearing. He wasn’t asking permission. He didn’t need to. YFT is a private organization. The community didn’t need to be involved. His call was a courtesy call that I feel certain was to keep PWC leadership abreast of events that could possibly be controversial. Good for Dr. Jones. He did the right thing.
What people fail to realize is that the LAW requires these children to be detained at the border and they must be allowed into the country to be processed. They then have a hearing. Children other than Mexican will all be processed. Why not Mexican children? Mexico and the United States share a border. Mexican children coming to a checkpoint from Mexico can be turned back and placed immediately into the hands of representatives of their country since there are Mexican border agents right there (Same with Canada). Children coming in from another country such as Guatamalea, Honduras and El Salvador don’t have agents there to assume responsibility for them. Therefore, by LAW (remember RULE OF LAW), children must be temporarily admitted, processed, and have a deportation hearing. There simply are not enough federal deportation judges and other required personnel available for such a huge overload and backlog.
For the record, the law was enacted in 2008, under the Bush administration and was a provision of a human trafficking law that requires U.S. Border Patrol agents to turn the children over to the U.S. Department of Health and Humans Services and guarantees them hearings Because of the backlog, it could be a long time to get to each child. President Obama has asked Congress for $2 billion in order to hire additional personnel, judges, social workers to help facilitate what needs to be done as quickly as possible.
A few asides:
Only ignorant people say “illegals.” The constitutionally correct term is “illegal aliens.” Those of us who want to be a little gentler, especially when talking about children might say, immigrant or migrant children, or undocumented migrants, or a host of other terms less judgemental.
Corey never mentioned that he wanted children removed on the Laura Ingraham Show. He was speaking of people who had been arrested. We don’t particularly like what he said but let’s be accurate and not make up stuff that he didn’t say.
How did The Sheriff just happened to get hold of this information right after Corey was on Fox News and Laura Ingrahams? Hmmmm…don’t you just wonder whose lips were singing like a bird? We know. The Supervisors were apprised a while back. Which one, closely connected to that blog, spilled his guts? Obviously a certain blogger then disclosed the information at a politically opportune moment, Shame on all concerned. Using children as political poker chips is just plain wrong!
So now that a match has been thrown into a can of gasoline, who is going to put out the fire? This was not information that needed to be blabbed all over the place. Really, it isn’t any of our business. This is a humanitarian crisis. Period.
This could be completely, beyond all prior imaginings hysterical (in the true sense of the word) if Candland and his blog alter ego try to get around to the far side of Stewart on immigrant alarmism. I think Stewart had pretty much correctly gauged that he rode that old mare right into the ground and that the odor was bad enough to cause him to dismount (albeit long after the pitiable nag had started to decompose). The odor was only now beginning to dissipate. Now opportunists are looking for new life in this ugliness. Nothing like a little Murrieta (sp?) mob tactics in our own backyards. Lovely.
@Scout
When all you have left to defeat illegal government actions is a protest, then that is what you do.
Nothing wrong with protests, CS. Where would we be without them? However, a lot has to do with the tenor, purpose, motivation, and atmospherics of the protest. Some protests are more elevated, effective, and ennobling than others.
But what illegal government actions are we talking about here in this post and, to the extent there are any, why isn’t normal legal process effective in dealing with them?
I have researched quite a bit about the Jewish children of Europe that died because the US refused to allow them into the country. Our history of helping children in humanitarian crisis is not all that impressive. Here is an opportunity to actually BE the nation we claim we are.
As far as Corey goes, he was foolish to try to raise that dead horse by pushing that stupid FOIA. But THIS, THIS is truly awful. It doesn’t take a rocket scientist to figure out that the Sheriff would not have “uncovered” this gem were it not for the likelihood of a leak from a Supervisor. I am so disappointed. Like I told Corey, several years ago, it is you that will have to live with yourself. No political gain is ever worth harming another human being in the process. These children don’t deserve to be made into pawns.
Shame on you Sheriff and the government official who leaked this information to you.
Cargo,
Are YOU going to join the mob mentality. Imagine, just for a moment, in your most compassionate empathetic perspective, you are one of these kids. Sent here alone, without your mom or dad, to escape the violence in your country. You have heard what a great country America is. But what you find instead, that as a child, you are treated like a criminal, with aggressive angry protestors wielding signs. No one to comfort you. No one to hold you and tell you its going to be ok, no matter what happens. Imagine this is YOUR child. children are children my friend, I don’t give a shit where they are from. No, you can’t save them all, and I don’t know what the future holds, but I sure as hell, as a parent, desperate to give my child a future, would hope and pray, along this journey, my child would find compassion from a stranger. THAT is why what the Sheriff has done is sooooo despicable. I wonder, does “he” have children? I wonder, does the elected official who shared this information have children?
There but for the grace of G-d go I.
Do not unto they neighbor which is hateful to you. That is the whole Torah, the rest is commentary.
@Elena
And dumping them at bus stops, as was done in Arizona is compassionate?
Taking care of the children is a good thing.
Bringing illegal aliens into a community, “processing them” and then allowing them to leave is not.
Most of these “children” are NOT children.
What would be compassionate would be to tell Mexico and Guatamala that we will return these people to the countries of origin as soon as possible, and put out the message to Mexico that if they continue to actively work to undermine our sovereignty by cooperating with Guatemala and points south to transport these illegal aliens to our country, we will suspend NAFTA and other penalties. We would tell them that there is NO chance for amnesty or a DREAM Act. Thus, they would stay home.
And we would start lawsuit proceedings from the local governments against the administration for is failure to enforce the law, for its effort to undermine the law, and for its illegal actions in putting illegal aliens on buses and sending them to other states.
The government planned for this and wanted this. There is no more border enforcement.
@Cargosquid
Cargo, read the 2008 law on human trafficking that deals with minors at a border. Enjoy eating your words.
Protesting children? Give me a break.
Or…change the law.
Wow, my words of compassion fell on deaf ears. Not much more to say about that 🙁
There have not been any recent humanitarian crises in any of the countries from which these people came. There have been no earthquakes, no tsunamis, no political revolution, nor fascist dictatorships. Are there poor people in those countries …. Yes. Do their conditions rise to the level of a crisis? Only when 100,000s converge on the U.S. border at the same time.
Our country should not be a dumping ground for children from poor countries. We should specify by law how many immigrants are to be accepted each year. The border needs to be closed so that no one can get in except through specified entry points. The National Guard should be deployed until a permanent fix for controlling the border can be implemented.
After the border is closed, we can consider what to do with those that are already here.
Again, the administration is following the law. Mexican children would not be let in. Children from other countries are.
Many of these children are coming in at check points and legitimate border crossing, in keeping with the law.
In Honduras, you have 1 in 14 chance of being murdered. In NYC, you have a 1 in 250,000 chance of being murdered.
Kelly, can you imagine how desperate a parent must be to put their child alone on a bus to go thousands of miles from home, knowing you might never see that child again? Gangs, violence, extreme poverty, danger….
CS – the law is that you cannot return children from non-contiguous countries without first afording them significant procedural protections. Then the issue becomes how do we care for them in the interim. In what way is the Administration making an “effort to undermine the law and why cannot the federal government house uninspected entrants in facilities in any part of the country?
@Cargo
I forgot to say I am calling bullshit on you. You read right wing garbage and plaster it as though it were the truth. I call children anyone under 18 in these circumstances.
Why do you think the teenagers want out? Perhaps to escape gangs? ya think??????
Kelly,
The border is not being “infiltrated”, they ARE being stopped there. Legally we must take them and process their status as children from a non-contiguous country. I find it interesting that legislation passed in congress is suddenly not legal…funny 🙂
Too bad Hondouras doesn’t have oil fields. We’d go to war to prove our humanitarian altruistic and christian beliefs.
As for that blog, they’re pretty inhuman about most of their “causes”. Why would you expect more from them?
@Elena
I acknowledge that current law allows for non-Mexican children to be received and processed, but the law is not working as intended. First, many of these people are not children. It does not appear that non-minors are being turned away. Second, the vast majority (~2/3) does not show up for the status hearing. Most just melt into society, so the current law lacks a means to monitor and identify the criminal element among those coming in. Third, the large numbers are overwhelming services and municipalities. The law was intended to be a humanitarian gesture, but the unintended consequence is that it opened the flood gates to a vast migration.
Are you denying these a children under 18???????
Kelly, what proof do you have that the children are over 18 and therefore not children? I actually don’t know how that would be determined.
From what I can tell, the children and women are being housed in various places that are not too desirable. I don’t know what you mean they aren’t showing up. I simply don’t believe they are all melting into society.
Too much right wing propaganda. Flap flap.
How about taking the Glenn Beck approach?
How about going along with all but one of our BOCS who took the humanitarian approach.
Why would Dr. Jones, CEO of YFT take on a bunch of adult gang members? He has teenagers.
Check out Virginia Virtucon, Bruce Velvet, The Derecho, and The Sheriff. They are all on a tear on this issue. It looks like Bruce Velvet broke the story first, so blaming the Sheriff may be misplaced blame.
Maybe I am wrong, but it looks like the story is much deeper than you think, and Stewart may be up to his eyeballs in a real mess. Bringing in a lot of border kids is not a good policy here in PWC given the history here. How do we house every refugee from around the world?
I think everyone needs to take a deep breath and look at the issue objectively. We cannot house these kids here. We have plenty of our own problems. The feds have to fix the problem by sending them back home immediately, or the stream of “refugees” will just increase.
Charlotte,
There is nothing nefarious, if only people didn’t have to lather themselves into a fabricated crisis. Please don’t lecture me on “taking a deep breath”. Empathy and compassion don’t need a time out, ever.
Here is the deal, homeland security is looking for safe places for these children. YFT was contacted and agreed to take these kids. They are a private organization for those republicans that are hard of hearing or reading. It is not required nor was it necessary for the head of that program to reach out to each PWC Supervisor personally. He did out of a courtesy. No Board member has the authority or right to stop that PRIVATE organization from taking these children. Period. You clearly don’t understand the legal reasons why these children are here. Did you READ the thread above???
That Corey is happens to be purposefully flaming the base in his party for votes has nothing to do with these kids coming here. He isn’t without his own shame, don’t get me wrong.
How do you think these anti Corey bloggers knew about this very private matter? They just happened by coincidence to be perusing the YFT website??? No, the story here is that someone within government, within a supervisors office, most likely leaked the story in order to create the very narrative you are obsessing about, Corey.
In the mean time, now you have these innocent kids being targeted for political gain. Have you ever heard the poem the starfish Charlotte?
One day an old man was walking down the beach just before dawn. In the distance he saw a young man picking up stranded starfish and throwing them back into the sea. As the old man approached the young man, he asked, “Why do you spend so much energy doing what seems to be a waste of time?” The young man explained that the stranded starfish would die if left in the morning sun. The old man exclaimed, “But there must be thousands of starfish. How can your efforts make any difference?” The young man looked down at the starfish in his hand and as he threw it to safety in the sea, he said,” It makes a difference to this one!”
At times in our lives, we are all the old man, the young man, or the starfish. Sometimes, as the old man, we don’t see the purpose to actions. Sometimes, as the young man, we persevere and make a difference. And sometimes, we are the starfish who just need a little help.
Sorry. I was not meaning to lecture anyone Elena. I just think you are too wrapped up in the local politics of this and not seeing the reality of having to fund every poverty stricken family (via their children) on the planet. It simply cannot happen.
You focus on who told who what rather than whether it is true or not. My sense of this is that PWC is only one of hundreds of communities that are being used to house these children. Each of those communities have the right to decide for themselves whether they want to house these children – along with the attendant costs in schools, medical bills, etc.
I personally do not think much of Corey Stewart because he is such a political person. You and Moonhowler seem to have convenient amnesia because he happens to have facilitated the placement of these kids in PWC. You can diminish it all you want, but the reality is that Stewart is just corrupt. But you praise Stewart and everyone who agrees with him like he is now a Saint.
The attacks on Candland are just as transparent. He doesn’t agree with you, so you trash him and everyone who agrees with him.
Does not really matter much to me one way or another on who the people are in the County, it only matters to me what they do. Sorry we have to disagree on this.
Charlotte,my focus is on the usual yellow journalism coming out of some of the bloggers. People can think what they want but when they lie about people and events, then we are going to call them out on it.
We haven’t attacked Candland. Do you, for instance, feel we ATTACKED Candland over the reminder about disclosures earlier in the week? We didn’t attack him. We questioned him. We didn’t call him names or insult him. We didn’t suggest that he was a crook or had done anything nefarious. If that is an attack, what on earth do you think happens on the other blogs? Seriously.
What ever happened to the Golden Rule. I actually try to treat others as I would like to be treated. I am sorry, Charlotte, I don’t see that happening.
We held off this thread for almost a day so we could confirm information rather than just slapping things up. Our intent wasn’t to attack local politicians.
There is way too much misinformation floating around on this issue.
We live in a vast, resourceful country. We have so much when others have so little. If YFT wants to take on this iniative, they have my full support. My children have been lucky. They had a mother and a father and we always had a roof over our heads and enough to eat. Not every child has that. If these kids come into our community for a while, then I want them treated with kindness, rather than all the stupid lies I am reading about. Lots of people are just shooting off their mouths without regard for facts.
Trust us, we don’t have short memories about Corey or any of the other politicians in this county. We have files on all of them. Corey is like everyone else. Sometimes we agree with him, sometime we don’t. Sometimes I agree with Pete, sometimes I don’t. My greatest detraction with Pete is his unholy alliance with local blogs, both past and present and yes, I do have proof of a few things.
What is it you think I need to remember about Corey? I am curious. I am not giving Corey an ounce of credit for placing the refugee kids in PWC. It wasn’t any of the supervisors responsibility to approve or not approve. YFT is a private organization who does not get tax payer funds other than as a vendor.
On the vendor part, so what. YFT isn’t Halliburton.
They are not being “stopped” at the border. They are brought across the border by a “coyote” with instructions to find Border Patrol agents on the U.S. side and surrender to them, claiming that they have relatives here in the States and that they were in danger of being killed by gangbangers back home. It is a scripted thing, and the coyotes and their bosses are making big bucks on it. So many Border Patrol agents have been pulled off the front lines to process these people that the smugglers of drugs, other aliens, and what have you are having a much easier go of it along the border.
Wolve, I was asking about you. I hope you have been well.
I think you are reading too much into some of this. Famiiarize yourself with the law the administration has to go by involving human trafficking. Minors cant be turned away at the border if they are from a country without a contiguous border to the USA.
Most of those children are coming through at checkpoints, they aren’t swimmers.
Elena: I don’t have any idea or the background to argue with you about the historical context of the politics of this issue. I can only tell you what the optics are. It looks like you are hyper-ventilating against Candland on some connection he has with the blogs. I read them all pretty regularly, and I can tell you that it would be very hard to conclude that Candland has some hold on Derecho, The Sheriff, Virginia Virtucon and BVBL that is anything other than philosophical.
Even if he did have some control over them, so what? You express your opinions as citizens, most of which are anonymous. It is the right of free speech.
I just don’t get it unless it is about surpressing the views of another because we disagree with them. That said, I think the County has a right to know about this, and there is a regulatory interest in knowing what activities are going on in businesses that are approved and zoned by the County.
I don’t see where what a private organization does is any of our business as long as it isn’t causing a problem for the community. They aren’t.
It isn’t hard for me to conclude anything about what blogs have been and still are propped up around Candland. I can name two. I have all the proof I need.
It is incredibly transparent, starting with GTS.
I know how the law reads, Moon. And when they are released from Border Patrol or HHS custody, they are given a slip of official paper instructing them to report for an immigration hearing at a later date. Few, if any, will ever report. The law wasn’t written with such a massive migration in mind. It has become a farce and an embarrassment. And the migration will continue and grow. It is so farcical that Mexico and Guatemala have made an agreement to facilitate the northward movement of Guatemalan children, as if these kids were some sort of expendable and transferable commodity and Uncle Sam has no say.
What’s next with this Save the Children thing? Syria, Gaza, Libya, Iraq, Northern Nigeria, Central African Republic, Eastern Congo, Somalia, South Sudan, Zimbabe, Rwanda, Myanmar….? How many frat boys can you squeeze into a phone booth before the booth explodes?
@Wolve
Other than they aren’t released. They are held until they have a hearing. I don’t know what you are talking about. They aren’t releasing children to just go about their business.
How about sitting the law. Like name and where we can find the text of the law so we can all be talking about the same thing.
@Wolve
How many Lakota can we save at St. Joseph’s? Why even bother.
Charlotte,
No one is suppressing anyone’s views. You are here aren’t you? I have not “praised” Corey for anything since 2007, not after immigration and certainly not after his betrayal of the Rural Crescent with his Avendale vote. In fact, I have been just as disgusted with his dragging out the stupid FOIA stunt regarding the deportation process.
I find it interesting that Pete Candland isn’t being held to account for not informing his district of the housing of these children. There was no vote Charlotte regarding the YFT, there was no silencing of this issue. Pete, or for that matter, every other supervisor, INCLUDING Corey, could have informed the public. There wasn’t a gag order for goodness sake! But it was kept quiet, for good reason, so that hysteria would not ensue, like in other jurisdictions.
The only reason this is a story was because it was politically expedient to point out Corey’s hypocrisy. But in the process of attacking Corey for political gain, they have put these children at risk for protests. Isn’t it bad enough that there parents were so desperate they shipped them off to a country with no supervision. I have a 12 year old, I can’t imagine being so desperate that I would allow him to travel so far, with so much at stake.
You say you don’t know the history, well, do some research. History informs us in the present so that we can make better more humane decisions. It isn’t your business or my business what YFT does as long as it is legal and within their mission statement. How many times do I have to say this, THEY ARE A PRIVATE ORGANIZATION.
Sure would be nice to use that $3.7 billion dollars to help our Indian schools and reservations or maybe the Black kids in Detroit and Southside Chicago instead of using more borrowed money on a massive and seemingly scripted illegal migration.
These people will not be held long enough for deportation hearings, which will be far into the future because the legal system is going to be swamped. Nor will the government track them until hearing time. You have to be joking to think that. We can’t even keep track of visa violators. They will be allowed into society and, once there, never show up again for a hearing. It happens all the time with our illegal immigrant problem. They are counting on it.
And they are crossing the border under the guidance of coyotes, not coming in through Border Patrol checkpoints. The only way an illegal can gain entry through an official checkpoint is through forged documents or being smuggled in under the noses of the Border Patrol agents. You don’t just show up at a border checkpoint and get admitted into the country because you want to even though you have no permission. (Well, you might if the border agents were as corrupted as many I have had to work with overseas.)
Sorry Wolve, a lot are coming in at the regular border crossings.
They are being held. They have to be because they are minors. That is the reason they are in the refugee centers. That’s what all the buzz is about here. The children have to be housed until they can have their hearing.
The money requested by the prez is to hire extra social workers and extra federal judges to relieve some of the overflow.
The kids who show up at the border are admitted if they are not Mexican. They are held in refugee centers. I didn’t say everyone. I said some.
Oh, and FYI, Derecho has not covered the children at YFT. So I’m not sure what you are talking about regarding that blog.
William Wilberforce Tafficking Victims Protection Reauthorization Act of 2008. Public Law 110 457 December 23, 2008.
If you want me to be the Moonhowlings law librarian, we are going to have to sign a wage contract. I’m expensive.
I guess I am cheap. I do this for free. Sigh.
We are at least speaking of the same document.
Congress can certainly change the law but they need to be aware that there is probably an entirely new set of unintended consequences out there.
There seems to be no end to the ugly side of the human condition.
“Trafficking Victims” The bill was originally intended to stop sex trafficking of children and adults.
It sounds like Congress needs to go fix the law. That would be something! Congress doing something.
Then what do we do? Go shoot children on the border?
Moon, please show me where these kids are being allowed in at the actual border crossings. I think you may be mistaking checkpoints actually on the border with internal Border Patrol checkpoints located miles from the Mexican-American line as part of the effort to catch those who have already crossed illegally. It looks to me like those kids are coming across with the coyotes, making them “illegal” on American soil, and then getting directions to the internal BP checkpoints, where they “surrender.” That is, if they haven’t already run into patrols between the border and the internal checkpoints. But, if you can show me some actual evidence at the border crossings themselves…….
I used the wrong word. I did not mean to say checkpoint. I meant to say border crossing. (as opposed to all coming in at some undisclosed random location)
I have seen lots of them on TV in the past few weeks. Actually I have seen both–crossing at unauthorized points and crossing at regular border crossings.
It’s a horrible situation. Damned if you do and damned if you don’t. I am still blown away by the statistics. 1 in 14 chance of being murdered? That is unthinkable. It sounds like Somalia.
@Charlotte
I have been thinking about what you said and I am sickened. 1. The Derecho hasn’t said a word on this topic. Sorry, he isn’t part of the pack so far. 2. The other blogs are known and have been known for spreading lies and bull crap on this topic with little regard for the truth.
3. I believe it is you who are in over your head on this one starting with a plethora of really bad, untrue information.
Anything to drag Stewart down so you can build up your guy. All of you are really beginning to make me sick. I certainly have had my political differences with Stewart over the years. He is a conservative and I am a moderate with some fairly liberal leanings. We will disagree over policy. That’s a given. It also doesn’t make him the anti-Christ.
Anything to drag Nohe down. Ditto with Marty. I have policy differences with him also. Same reason. I could go through the entire list of supervisors. It’s one thing to disagree on policy. Its another to be demeaning, nasty, and to lie about others, then try to weasel out of it saying it’s satire.
I actually feel badly for Pete. He needs to become his own man and stop allowing his bloggers do the political dirty work for him. First GTS and now the current blog. Do you think that there is one person on the board of supervisors or one person of any significance at complex 1 who doesn’t see right through it all? Seriously. It’s very transparent. They all know.
Sadly, I think Pete wants to do the right thing. He needs to start by cutting those blogger umbilical cords and start being trustworthy to his own colleagues. He needs to look at what’s good with PWC, not trying to pull the eternal gotcha game.
Please don’t think for a moment that anyone is fooled. It took a while to put it together but we did it and the pieces of the puzzle fit, especially with all the transparent clues that have been left.
Now I will leave a big clue I will throw out there : don’t ever ever lie to me about someone else! You know who you are. In fact, don’t ever lie to me.
We have families in crisis here. Plenty. Some are in an existential crisis – yet the Feds and/or VA can’t find the funds to help. My city has never recovered from the last “immigration event”. It caused a lot of damage and cost localities a ton of money. We – the localities – a’re still working quite hard to build bridges to these communities and help make them successful.
I guess what makes me angriest about this is that 8 years after I was first elected the Feds still have no policy to address this problem except to do what they did last time – dump it on everyone else. Honestly, this problem isn’t something that local politicians should have to talk about much.
I never thought I’d see the day where Glenn Beck and I agreed!
Andy,
It truly isn’t a local situation. I don’t see any similarities between the 2008 and now. Besides being immigrants, the facts behind the children being placed here is nothing like coming to PWC en masse to support the housing boom.
The legislation these kids are falling under was passed in 2008, as a nation we either figure out how to deal with consequences of our laws, or run around in circles wringing our hands accomplishing nothing but pointing fingers.
It’s similar in that we’re having this debate at the local level…that’s all. It’s super frustrating. Is spent the first ~3 years of my first term trying to deal with this….and we’re kinda back to where we started….let’s hope this is the extent to which this debate permeates local politics.
@Moon-howler
Moon-Howler: Ok. I admit to being a little lost here. I only offered a personal opinion, and pointed out that all of other bloggers seem to be joining the chorus of the issue with Stewart not disclosing information he should have disclosed while leading the charge against the feds on the released criminals issue. I went back and re-read Derecho, and I concede the point generally he has not yet specifically addressed the border children issue, I would hardly count him as a supporter of your position. My original point, now lost in the fog, is that you go after the Sheriff for breaking the story about the kids, but it actually was BVBL.
As to your other broader points, I clearly am not the audience, and I guess we are all speaking in code to the masses.
As a general concept, I support the compassionate treatment of kids in this situation. But I also strongly support their immediate repatriation to their families in the countries they came from. I support shutting down the corridors they use to get into the U.S. I do not support our being the great nannies for these kids for years — or forever — because of the issues their home countries have or do not have.
We have significant needs for Americans that are going unfunded. How fair is it to bleed out more money to problems of border kids?
I don’t see where the kids at YFT are costing me one cent.
Yes we do have needs for Americas that have gone unfunded. We have found common ground. Yet our local general assemby refuses to expand medicaid. That would be a place to start, in my opinion.
I want to keep local government out of the issue of the immigrant kids. A private organization is handling it. That’s where it should stay and there should be no discussion. I guess I am the conservative on this one. Government needs to stay out of it and that means our board of supervisors.
Strange. The conservative bloggers can’t do anything without involving government. Go figure. Frank this. Corey that. Jenkins the other. It’s none of their business either.
@Moon-howler
Moon-Howler: I agree that Medicaid has to be expanded, but I am opposed to the coverage qualifications that have been too expansive. Provide needed medical care to truly needy families. I believe the R’s and the D’s made this their headline issue to the detriment of every citizen. I don’t like the current Medicaid expansion program offered by the feds because of the funding that gets yanked down the road.
With respect, of course the placement of border kids is costing every taxpayer money. The “private organization” is not “handling it.” The government is paying for the care – both housing, schooling, food etc., AND medical care. Too much for us to handle in the broader funding context when the alternative is to send them home immediately. That might make the decisions by families in those countries a little more rational when they know sending their kids to America is not a ticket to prosperity and opportunity.
The BOCS has a duty to protect the county. If I wanted to apply for opening a group home, I would have to comply with all county regs. That would include the provisions of an SUP that I would have to commit to adhere to. Once approved, I cannot change the population I proposed to take care of.
This is a crisis, and a serious one. Mr. Stewart made a terrible miscalculation in hyping the feds deportation policy with criminals against the backdrop of allowing the feds to drop border kids into PWC without being accountable for it and getting community buy-in.
Charlotte,
Why was only Corey responsible for disclosing the location of the kids? Why isn’t Pete held to the same standard? EVERY supervisor knew about this arrangement, Dr. Jones personally visited each one, not because he HAD to, but because it was his style to be up front on an issue that may be contentious.
I am no Corey fan, you obviously don’t have any historical knowledge about us. Not only have I excoriated Corey on immigration, but I his land use betrayal of the Rural Crescent is known far and wide. My issue with that blog, is that, JUST LIKE the Gainesville Truth Squad, another hack blog for Pete when he ran for office, this blog just makes stuff up. I abhor lying for political gain, no matter who does it. The sheriff is the one who is obsessed with Corey and its unnecessary.
Actually, I went back and it wasn’t BVBL that “broke” the story, it was Riley. How Riley got that information, the anti Corey blogosphere is far and wide. There has been much ado about the connection between Pete and the Sheriff, having EVERY story break on the sheriff’s blog is now getting beyond obvious. However, what the Sheriff knew and then extrapolated into outrageous over exaggerations bore some minuscule grain of truth. Every Supervisor knew about arrangement. But how was the Sheriff able to take a grain of truth and turn it into this fabrication of Corey having the all powerful ability to make it so and silence the truth? Oy Vey, what a hoot. Corey WISHES he had that kind of power. Someone in the know had to have told the sheriff, that same little birdie that happened to be in a private executive meeting when Peacor discussed her compensation package.
I am no fan of elected officials these days, but I am tired of pretend media pulling the strings in this county. It happens on the national level and it happens on the local level. It’s all about packaging your message, to hell with good policy and doing what’s right.
Charlotte,
The SUP is a very specific document, it is not intended to address the status of the child who goes to YFT. SUP’s address number of kids, hours of operation, lighting of property, etc. You must not have much experience regarding the process. You can call Planning and ask for a copy of the SUP, I’m sure that would not be difficult to obtain.
Charlotte,
Just so that you can address this issue with facts, here is the law that is being followed regarding these children. You cannot just “send” them back.
WASHINGTON — It was one of the final pieces of legislation signed into law by President George W. Bush, a measure that passed without controversy, along with a pension bill and another one calling for national parks to be commemorated on quarters.
“This is a piece of legislation we’re very proud to sign,” a White House spokesman, Tony Fratto, told reporters on Dec. 23, 2008, as the president put his pen to the William Wilberforce Trafficking Victims Protection Reauthorization Act of 2008, named for a 19th-century British abolitionist. “This program has been very effective around the world in trying to stop trafficking in persons.”
Now the legislation, enacted quietly during the transition to the Obama administration, is at the root of the potentially calamitous flow of unaccompanied minors to the nation’s southern border.
Originally pushed by a bipartisan coalition of lawmakers as well as by evangelical groups to combat sex trafficking, the bill gave substantial new protections to children entering the country alone who were not from Mexico or Canada by prohibiting them from being quickly sent back to their country of origin.
Reply back to both Moon-Howlings and Elena: You should read what you are writing. The attack is on because both of you think I am in over my head, or I don’t understand because I am new, or I don’t understand the SUP issue or the law the governs deportation.
Listen to yourselves go on an over the top attack on whomever happens to have a different viewpoint. I am not a defender of the Sheriff, and I only made the point that your original accusation that the Sheriff broke the story was incorrect. That was a material point on what you said as the genesis of the issue and how this terrible muckraker was destroying the quality of the community. Your response: Oh no, Charlotte, you are absolutely wrong, it was Jim Riley (whoever he is) at Virtucon. Then you make me the bad guy for getting the source wrong — I said BVBL, but you claim now it is Virtucon — but your original claim it was the Sheriff.
Why can’t we stick to the issues, and forget about who broke the story?
But when we stick to the issues, no one, not me or anyone else, can hold a different opinion that the one the two of you hold on immigration. I happen to do work on SUP’s for clients, Elena, and your extremely narrow interpretation is just wrong. A local jurisdiction can and often do revoke SUPs for non-compliance.
On the federal law, it is using a sex-trafficking statute to implement a policy on immigration that is costing all of us a lot of money.
Sorry to have rained on your parade. But the level of intolerance for alternative views, apparently driven by your not having the pulpit all to yourselves, is very disappointing. I can intelligently process different viewpoints myself, but that is not the modus operendi here.
Charlotte, I don’t think you have a clue how I feel about immigration. You assume Elena and I are on the same sheet of music. sometimes we are. Sometimes we aren’t. I live very close to what many call ground zero and I feel comfortable saying I was in the thick of the immigration debate. Things just aren;’t all that cut and dry.
I obviously don’t agree with Corey on a lot of things having to do with that subject. Other issues, like a strong 289(g) program I absolutely support. Who wants criminals in their neighborhood. I just want to make sure that we are accurate about who is a criminal and who isn’t. Sometimes the quarrel is over the finer points.
As for doing a FOIA to see where the immigrants picked up by ICE are? I think it is a tremendous waste of time because even if there was a deportation, it doesn’t mean that the individual stayed deported. Furthermore, if no deportation took place, what the hell are you going to do about it? I don’t think the BOCS should NOT do it. I just think it is an exercise in futility. Their time could be spent on other things.
Am I mad at Corey over it? No. I just think he is wasting his time. Do I like what he said on Laura Ingrams? No. Why would I. I am a moderate who supports the president. He is a conservative.
Please tell me you don’t really think that refugee children are the same as the criminals Corey is after? The blogs are having a hay-day with unrelated events and unrelated ideas. Corey and the other supervisors shouldn’t even be a part of the discussion about the immigrant children. It has nothing to do with them. I will take it a step further, it shouldn’t even be discussed. Its not hurting any of us. If it does, then talk but until them…let’s just let these poor kids get some peace and quiet–something they have probably had very little of in their short lifetimes.
As for having the pulpit all to ourselves? Bwaaahahahahahaha. Our blog is fairly well trafficked and has people from tea party to screaming liberal as contributors. On any given day, either one can go after you and attempt to win a discussion. We definitely don’t an echo chamber or people preaching to the choir. I think Wolverine, and Cargo would bear that out. We fight daily and at the end of the day, I would say we are all friends. Cargo and I email each other regularly about many different things but if you read some of our exchanges on policy and politics you would swear we were sworn enemies.
Andy,
I agree, I hope the debate stops here and we just move right along, nothing to see here folks.
@Charlotte
You don’t understand that the mission statement is providing for at risk kids. These kids are at risk. The bocs cannot tell them that they can or can’t do this.
Medicaid lives to fight another day. You all will always find a reason to not do something, Using the feds as the excuse, even though they guaranteed 3 years coverage and after that 90%, is just that. An excuse.
Charlotte,
The gist of this thread relies on the lies being spread by the sheriff. Based on information that could only have been gleaned by someone in public office, someone who actually did meet with YTF leadership, in private. Not sure how this is difficult to understand.
It is actually you who refused to stick to the facts. Like the legislation passed in 2008 that prohibits sending these children back. If you are offended by the facts, that is not my problem, that is your problem.
As far as you supposed expertise on how SUP’s work, I just find that highly suspect. How convenient. Have you SEEN the SUP. You PROVE that in that SUP there is a stipulation that every youth resident must be a citizen of the unites states and I will apologize. I doubt that VERY hightly. These kids are not technically illegal aliens, they are in the process of determining their status. Oh wait, let me guess, you are an immigration attorney also 😉
@Charlotte
Charlotte will know you have been attacked when I slap your ass in moderation. That hasn’t happened. You take any discussion that doesn’t adhere to your party line as an attack. Holy hell, what happens on other blogs when people are called names and lied about? Now that is my version of an attack.
The fact that Elena and I have cogently responded with verifiable information should not be considered an attack. Attacking someone is name calling, ridiculing them, lying about them, and just generally making stuff up.
I lose patience when people don’t tell the truth. I am sickened by what I read on some of the blogs. I feel certain you would not participate in that kind of behavior. Please tell me I am right.
While I hesitate to get back in the line of fire, that is not occurring, but wounds feel real, I would direct Elena to the following information on the SUP that governs the YFT. For the record, I am not in immigration attorney. I do work for clients that involved commercial developments, so I have a good understanding of SUP’s — Elena, you may doubt that all you want.
I cannot, and will not, defend the actions of bloggers Moon-Howlings references. But I should not have to.
I have only expressed a privately held opinion that is in opposition to the one the two of you hold. That’s all.
http://thederecho.blogspot.com/2014/07/its-amazing-what-questions-arise-after.html
For the record, I know the provision referenced could be used to address a violation of the SUP. Not because I am an expert, but because my common sense legal training directs that conclusion.