Limbaugh is such an ass he is funny. “Chickifying” football. What a hoot.
I guess according to Rush, real women should like getting the crap beaten out of them. Yea boy!
I can’t even get pissed off at him any longer. This is humor at its very sickest.
Nah, there is NO war on women. Wimmins need to learn to take it or turn off the TV.
The “war on women” exists only on the left. There is no actual “war on women.” But nothing will change your mind about that. You can feel victimized all that you wish.
Media (doesn’t) Matter takes a snip out of context. I heard this piece.
He was talking about how politics is invading pre-game shows, turning into yet another political show. The shows are supposed to be about sports.
That is the “chickifying football” he’s talking about. The football shows have all started talking about the “social issue” du jour…whatever is in the news at the time.
He says nothing supporting spouse abuse. He wants Rice fired. He thinks Goodell should be fired. He just doesn’t want the political and social discussions mixed with sports announcing. Mainly because he knows these announcers and knows that they have NO IDEA what they are talking about. They should stick to sports.
You are letting Media Matters use their propaganda tactics to lead you around. Media Matters does this all of the time.
You want to find out what Rush is saying? Listen to his entire show.
Son, (and I mean that in the most condescending tone) I have forgotten more about the war on women than you will ever learn. I have experienced it although not as much as my mother and grandmother did before me. I was fortunate enough to be born during an era where it was acceptable to fight back and NOT allow myself to be a victim.
Even not allowing myself to be a victim, that till didn’t alter laws really favored men. it didn’t open up men’s institutions to women or provide equal job opportunity. I see anything that doesn’t codify equality between the genders as a war on women.
What do you mean sports announcers have no idea what they are talking about? I expect pretty much anyone understands that cold-cocking your fiance is pretty much taboo, especially when you outweigh her by about 100 pounds.
why would I want to listen to the entire Rush Limbaugh Show? I would have to take an ice pick to my ears. I can just laugh at the exerpts.
BTW, I didn’t realize you were a Rush fan. How embarrassing.
Rush is great. You can always count on him to get the left’s panties into a bunch (and I’m talking about the men).
I might pay more attention to what Rush says if he were an elected official making decisions on how to spend my tax dollars. He’s entertainment.
@Moon-howler
As I stated…you missed the totality of his show……his comments were about sports announcers sounding off on all sorts of socially PC topics other than spouse abuse.
Not embarrassing. Unlike you, I wouldn’t comment on something that I had not heard in full context. Unlike you, I wouldn’t let propaganda be the source of the article I’m writing about. THAT is embarrassing. But, please…continue listening and watching Media Matters. THEY are oh so much better. The fact that you paid ANY attention to Media Matters should be embarrassing.
“Son, (and I mean that in the most condescending tone) I have forgotten more about the war on women than you will ever learn.”
Yes…yes… we’ve heard about your bonafides. Doesn’t matter. And I mean that in the most condescending way…since we seem to be going that way.
The war on women exists only in your head and in the minds of leftwing activists. There is no “war” on women. Women have the rights you demanded and now any resistance to policy that doesn’t give the feminist movement what they want…or even criticism of the leftwing feminist movement…..equals a “war on women.”
Did you have to fight for pro-choice “rights?” Yes. You succeeded. Abortion is the law of the land, and in some places…its abortion on demand…with NO rights allowed by the male half of the parent. You, yourself, told me that men have NO rights in regards to the children produced.
Nowadays….. face it. You won.
@Cargo, actually, that isn’t what I said. Don’t misquote me.
Do you honestly think that it is all about abortion? Do you honestly believe that is what neutralizes the gender inequality that has been around since the cave man? Abortion rights are only a small part of it.
I will be very condescending on this issue because I know what it was like to have two classes of people. (actually more than that but for now I will just deal with gender.) I know what it was like to be disqualified for jobs, education, and being treated with respect because of one’s gender. I don’t even know half what my grandmother and mother knew. I also know all too well about double standards.
My problem is aI have forgotten a lot of what did exist. Its like forgetting that the ipod wasn’t around on 9/11. You move on. Just don’t try to tell me there is no war on women. There most certainly is a cadre of people who want to reverse the hands on the clock and send the little ladies back to another era.
There are some women also who are more than willing to let some dude do the heavy lifting for them. Fortunately, most people have joined the human race. The 70’s blasted open a lot of doors that had been closed. Just don’t deny that they were closed.
@Cargosquid
Actually I read about his comments several places and I listened to his remarks. It doesn’t matter what else he said. Emma is right. He is entertainment. His comments are so stupid they are funny, sort of like a malignant Archie Bunker.
I am not going to listen to that horse’s ass any more than I have to. I also wouldn’t listen to Ted Cruz or Sarah Palin any more than to get enough just to make fun of them.
Have you or Jackson read Margaret Sangor’s autobiography yet? Didn’t think so…..
Oh great, we are back to the faux Republican war on women diversion again. Rome is burning but the violin is still out of tune. More liberal hubris.
No, you do not have anything on me or any of us in recognizing how things were or how things have changed — and therein lies the problem. Liberals are certain that they know more, understand more, are more tolerant and more compassionate than anyone else. They are certainly more than prepared to discriminate in the name of ending discrimination and to call out others for racism, hate language or just insulting language by reserving unto themselves only the right to do the same. Frustration with Republicans lies in their inability to call out liberals for this and for liberals the frustration lies in the fact that Rush scares them and threatens their body politic when he does call them out. There is nothing new in this. Minorities influence change by creating conflict. Because people wish to avoid conflict, they will often accept the change and then look away from it. Now, on some level, liberals know that this – to include the war on women – is all a big sham and an almost classical big lie. But, its really only problematic because unstable liberal arrogance and high self-esteem tends to encourage more and more inappropriate and unnecessary behavior. After a while the shrieks and screams of the boy crying wolf were ignored. The women and other minorities of the 1860s, early 1900s and 1960s fought the good fight for equality, but we their descendents have lost so much more in seeking advantage.
Blue, first off, have I told you recently what you can go do to yourself????
You are so full of yourself. I am willing to bet that I know a lot more about women’s rights (and lack thereof) than you do and I didn’t learn it in the textbooks either.
As for being a descendent of the the 1960’s…ahem….not a descendent. My daughter and granddaughter would be the descendents. Vintage here.
That was quite a rant about liberals. You must really hate them. I sometimes hate some liberals. It really depends on the subject. I bet you really meant to hate on me though, didn’t you?
@Moon-howler
I never said that I was going to read Sanger’s autobiography. However, I did read it.
Hasn’t changed one iota of my opinion.
Yes…she advocated for birth control. Very good. That was never my objection about her.
Also, I have read her statements on eugenics and race and abortion.
Typical socialist/progressive eugenicist.
This part is the part that is always hidden.
You must not have read her autobiography. She speaks about eugenics, race and abortion. You want to tell me how she felt about abortion? Race? I believe what people’s own words tell me rather than what someone else’s words tell me about them.
I have a great deal of respect for her. She was tired of watching women die and wear out. She was a humanitarian. I don’t really think she was a socialist but if she was, who cares. I certainly don’t.
@Moon-howler
“actually, that isn’t what I said. Don’t misquote me.”
I DIDN’T quote you.
But I remember asking you about the rights of the fathers…and you telling me in no uncertain terms that the fathers had no rights over a pregnancy. They MUST abide by the mother’s decision whether or not the father wants it. And if the mother decides to keep it….said father MUST pay for it. The equates to no rights for the father.
That isn’t what I said.
What I said was that as long as women are the ones who get pregnant, that is the person who makes the final decision. In a perfect world, a couple should make that decision together. However, the world isn’t perfect and the final decision will always rest with the woman rather than the male.
That’s the reality. What you apparently are advocating is that women be forced to carry a fetus to term because the sperm donor wants it. Afraid I can’t buy into that one. I never said anything about who pays. Afraid you have the wrong feminist on that one.
I think the real solution is that men need keep their flies up. I have a daughter and a son. I don’t know any way to make it equitable. If you have a fair solution, I would like to hear it. I don’t want anyone forced to do something they don’t want to do.
You might want to familiarize yourself with the idea of the indirect quote. Maybe that is something that was taught during the war on women.
“Indirect quotations can add information that strengthens your content in many of the same ways as direct quotations. Essentially, indirect quotes carry the meaning of a speaker or writer’s original words without using the exact words. Indirect quotes are not offset by quotation marks.”
Seems like this happens with a lot of these threads no matter what the topic. “Twang your magic Sanger, Froggie!” “Hiyah, kids! Hiyah! “
This what? Hi jacking of threads? I agree. It happens too much.
I do not know why the Republicans let people like Rush speak for them. The R’s would do well to distance themselves from him, rather than increase his ratings and allow him to speak for them.
I’m confused…
“Limbaugh is such an ass he is funny. “Chickifying” football. What a hoot.
I guess according to Rush, real women should like getting the crap beaten out of them. Yea boy!
I can’t even get pissed off at him any longer. This is humor at its very sickest.
Nah, there is NO war on women. Wimmins need to learn to take it or turn off the TV.”
How in the world does one come to that conclusion based on what he was talking about, it had absolutely nothing do with domestic violence? Very odd…
Limbaugh is intentionally confusing domestic violence with the GOP war on women to try to make a point. Obviously, beating your wife is separate from the religious extremist’s efforts to control women’s bodies and subjugate them to the husband’s authority in marriage. Linking them allows him to pretend that the pursuit of a legitimate news story is bringing politics into sports.
His racist comment regarding the average NFL player’s political party was another obvious dog whistle for his fans…
The “War on Women” is a politically driven myth which is rapidly becoming passe.
You may dismiss the notion all you want. It wont make it go away. Every time I see it being waged, I plan on calling it out. Obviously some folks here still don’t get it.
@middleman
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
Racist comment?
In what way?
Why is it that only you liberals can hear these “dog whistles.”
The majority of NFL players are overwhelming African-American.
African Americans voted for Obama 98%.
In what way is that observation “racist?”
And please point out where anyone is subjugating women to the husband’s authority in his comments. Nice straw argument.
Please point out where the GOP wants to subjugate women to the authority of the husband. Please post links to the GOP platform and party statements.
@Moon-howler
“What I said was that as long as women are the ones who get pregnant, that is the person who makes the final decision. In a perfect world, a couple should make that decision together. However, the world isn’t perfect and the final decision will always rest with the woman rather than the male.”
In other words….the male has NO rights to decide anything. Thanks.
In other words, you want women to become human incubators for men??? That is the alternative. You cannot force women to bear children for other people. Its that simple.
Regardless of all the cutesy talk from couples who are planning to have a baby, “THEY” aren’t really pregnant. The woman is. I simply don’t see how you can give decision making rights to a male who can never be pregnant.
You are pushing a situation into an extremist corner. How about you start telling me why any male would have the final decision on whether or not a woman was going to have an abortion or not.
@Moon-howler
In other words, you want men to be subservient.
If a woman gets pregnant, there three people involved. The man has rights too.
That child is partially his. Yes…biology has dictated that women carry the child. But in your world, men are relegated to nothing more than sperm and money donors.
I haven’t mentioned money. However, smart men will use contraception if they don’t want the financial responsibility of bringing up a child. That or keeping their fly up seem like good remedies to me.
You are certainly conferring personhood on fertilized eggs and embryos earlier and earlier. Now fertilized eggs are people?
What rights do you think the man has? Leave money out of it because I have very mixed emotions on the money end of the subject. I am not going to debate you on that one. Decision to continue a pregnancy or terminate it really rests with the woman for biological reasons.
I don’t men to be subservient. There you go again, putting words in my mouth.
I await your response as to what rights you think a man has regarding a pregnant woman.
@Moon-howler
Women will use contraception if they don’t want the fiscal responsibility of bringing up a child. They don’t have to have sex. I’ve even mentioned that. And was chastise for being unreasonable.
Fertilized eggs? We have nine months. If you murder a pregnant woman, you can be charged with a double homicide.
You don’t want men to be subservient. But that is the result….regardless of what you SAY.
A man has the right to legally sue to have the woman have the child and then relinquish custody of the child.
I agree that women should use contraception. So should men. It is unreasonable to demand that people not have sex. However, that is one way for men to avoid having to pay child support. I know men who have had vasectomies for that very reason.
The 9 months is an emotional crock of crap. Roe v Wade very specifically outlines the trimesters. 9 month abortions are almost non existent except for life of the mother…ie …are you dying in child birth. Let’s just move the 9 months off the table. It is the most obvious of strawmen. Murdering of pregnant women counting as double homicide varies from state to state but most only classify the fetal murder if post viability. That’s a real slippery slope.
If a man has a right to sue to have the woman have the child and then relinguish custody….what is the end result? You can sue anyone. Have any fathers ever been awarded custody after forcing a woman to be a human incubator?
I think her rights supercede his rights simply because of biology. I am not saying he has no rights but hers, since she is the life support system, surely are protected more.
@Moon-howler
Correction
EDIT
A man SHOULD have the right to legally sue to have the woman have the child and then relinquish custody of the child.
If a woman can have the child and force a man that doesn’t want the child…and did not agree with her to have the baby….. to pay for the child’s upbringing….. OR abort the child without input from the man…… Then the man should have legal options.
I do not think men should ever have the right to force a woman to bear a child.
Now, do I think that men should be forced to support children they didn’t ask to have. Not in all cases. Many of them don’t.
“Abort the child without input from the man” <-------- Surely you are kidding me. A rapist? date rapist? a one night stand? No one should have that kind of power. NOw, lets talk about a relationship either husband or boyfriend. Surely that person should have some informal input and generally they do. there is usually a compelling reason if they don't. Too bad life isn't as clear cut and binary as we would like.
@Moon-howler
I’m not talking criminal acts.
But you are giving a woman the power to control a man after a one night stand. She can even lie about birth control …or it fails. Also…. how about if the man wants her to terminate the pregnancy…..its not all about forcing her to carry the baby to term.
Life seems pretty clear cut and binary in the legal world right now. A man has no rights…no say at all. In fact, some men have been forced to continue to pay child support for children they find out are not their own.
I just lost a very detailed response. Computer ate it. Not happy.
Sometimes criminal acts happen. Does that “father” get the same rights?
Moving on to the one night stand….please tell me how I am giving the woman control? You obviously want the man to have control over here since you want to make it legal for him to force her to have a child.
No, men shouldn’t be able to force a woman to abort.
I don’t know how many times I have to tell you, I don’t necessarily believe that men should have to pay child support in each and every situation. The way to avoid having to do it is to keep one’s zipper up or use contraception. To someone really paranoid about it, I would get a vasectomy. Men might want to consider avoiding casual sex and only enter into sexual relationships of long time duration where there is trust and mutual understanding.
You want so badly to tell me what I think. Before you do that I hope you are aware that I have step children who we raised since they were pre schoolers. We never got one dime of child support from their mother. She just wanted whatever marriage to work. Last count, I know of three but there could be many more. Obviously having to raise kids on our own with no support from their biological parent put some burdens on our family. Now think about how I might perhaps feel on this subject.
I also know of plenty of women who have raised their children on their own with not outside him from the biological father or any benefits. In fact, I have that case in my own family. someone on this blog is also doing that. My best friend raised her child out of her own pocket. If I know three people right off the bat, without thinking, think how many other women are out there doing the same thing.
Your paranoia about males always getting cooked is misplaced. Lots of men are not supporting their offspring and lots of women aren’t either, although probably not as many.
You’re right. Lots of men and women are irresponsible.
I’m talking about the legal system.
If a couple have a one night stand, the woman has all the power. She can state that she’s using contraception and get pregnant…. man pays. She can abort, even if man is willing to pay. If already in a relationship….. sometimes the man pays for another man’s child.
Everything that you said about men and waiting for trust and mutual understanding…..goes for women too. There is a reason why the ideal for thousands of years was to wait for marriage.
But…hey…. modern women don’t have to wait. Men have never waited as long as a woman was willing.
She can claim rape months later even after telling other people that it was consensual…..which is what is happening in the colleges. The college’s argument is that being drunk and impaired is an automatic “no” while simultaneous claiming that being drunk and impaired on the man’s part does not rob him of commonsense and he’s supposed to realize that she’s drunk and should protect her.
I don’t want to give anyone “control.” Legal options include due process and negotiation. As you said…if she doesn’t want a child, perhaps she should have used contraception, or had her tubes tied. What is good for the goose is good for the gander.
Well, I am just another stupid god fearing, bible believin, gun totin, baby lovin, traditional marrige SUV drivin, border security first, no welfare for illegals and drug testing for welfare, Bengazi truth seekin, IRS needs to be abolished scots-irish patriot, who does not understand why abortion is not considered murder when it is a double homicide if a pregnant woman is killed, regardless of term, and regardless if it was by auto accident or other means. Splain that one to me and so, if I got this right, the male shares no responsibility in it – right?
Let’s start with auto accident. The word accident infers …ACCIDENT. So if I ran over you through no malice…let’s say I had a seizure and blacked out for a second….you would want me accused of murder? I guess you would be dead and couldn’t express your wishes but hypothetically?
I think you should be perfectly free to think anything you want. you do know that many people do not feel that abortion is murder, especially early ones. I just don’t think you can force your will on people.
Reread the discussion between Cargo and me if you want my opinion on where males fit in. You and I both know that in relationships most women inform and discuss reproductive decisions with their partner. However, that doesn’t happen in all cases. Are you willing to give that kind of control over say, your own daughter, to some man? I am not.
DUI will be charged as a double homicide – Fact. I guess you are oppoosed to that.
The discussion between you and Cargo is not about being informed, it is about parental rights and my sense is that – to be consistent – you would deny such parentel rights to any male parent married or not.
Yes, absent rape, my daughter would have, in my view, an obligation to inform and seek consent on the resolution.
I am opposed to DUI being charged as a homicide. It isn’t in Virginia. Usually those wrongful death cases end up being manslaughter, not homicide.
Yes, I would deny a husband forcing an abortion on a wife or demanding that no abortion be performed. Not all husbands are good guys.
Is your daughter an adult?
My land o’ Goshen, what’s all this I am hearing about how the White House is crapping all over poor little Debbie Wasserman-Shultz? And former WH staffer Anita Dunn saying there is a male bullyboys club in the West Wing which dumps on the women and limits their access to POTUS. Now, maybe THAT is were we can find this so-called “War on Women” which has been so elusive.
That isn’t even close to what the war on women is. Geez.
Wasserman-Schultz has made a few unfortunate remarks according to some of the talking heads.
The heck it isn’t. It looks like poor old Debbie is getting the brushoff by POTUS — right in front of God and everybody. Gotta admit. The gal worked hard for the DNC. And now she seems to be getting the back of the male hands.
And Anita Dunn has blown the whistle on the bullyboys. Looks to me like a war on the wimmins. Sort of like domestic political mistreatment. It’s the only war in town. The rest is all mirages and fairy tales.
The rest of us don’t see things as you do. You really have don’t get what the war on women is about. Do you seriously think that men who work in the white house have informed the president that they are shutting the women out?
I am not taking a side on DWS. There are several different issues being batted around.
Is that the Anita Dunn who was under so much fire from Glenn Beck? It was horrible. He installed a phone for her to call him on.
Heh, heh…and then there is Joe Biden remarking at a women’s luncheon, of all places, that the Republican he missed most in Washington was Bob Packwood. Hooo boy! When it rains, it pours.
Bob Packwood was a very popular legislator. He had a good record voting for reproductive rights as women’s rights in general. Yes, we know he had a problem with sexual harassment. It didn’t seem to hurt Clarence Thomas any.
I see no rain pouring. Do you seriously think that people remember Packwood for his much needed votes and support or for his groping? Unless you got groped, I pbet he is remembered for his pro woman legislative record.