Let’s party with the Palins, redneck style. Has there been a more common candidate in recent memory?
Andrew Jackson apparently led a fairly rough and tumble life. Perhaps the Palins are the incarnation of Old Hickory.
We came too close to having Sarah Palin in the White House. Where is Billy Carter when we need him?
“Has there been a more common candidate in recent memory?”
Bill Clinton.
So, who did we get instead? Joe “Foot-in-Mouth” Biden.
Foot in mouth is fine compared to ill-prepared and lacking in class and background.
Also, since when is Sarah Palin’s daughter a candidate? Nowhere is it mentioned that Sarah was fighting. She was trying to be a peacemaker.
The Palins seem to travel as a pack.
Sarah has shown me nothing but that kind of mentality so I just lump her in with the rest of them.
Right on, Bro! Old Bill, with the artificial turf on the bed of his pickup truck and the private part that never rested, even during phone talks with a Congress critter during the Balkan conflict. Talk about “redneck”!
“Just put some ice on it, sweetie.”
Actually, I really don’t think that is redneck. You must have a different definition than I do.
Perhaps Bill’s brain and his spouse save him from being branded a redneck. Palin certainly can’t make that claim.
I hear that Bess Truman had to tell Harry to quit cussin’ and to quit threating music critics with physical violence over daughter Margaret’s musical abilities.
Harry Truman also had moments where his veneer of civilization was rather thin.
Was it redneck? I will have to think on that a moment.
And don’t get me started about ol’ JFK wandering off the marital reservation. On top of that, I understand he had himself a young White House intern too. Bill always said that JFK was his idol.
Jack Kennedy was not even close to being redneck. Did he have zipper problems? Yes. Does that have anything to do with being a redneck? No. Nothing.
Being a redneck is just sort of another state of being.
Do you understand what rednecks are?
Cigar, anyone?
That democrat cool aid is the gift that keeps on giving.. I want some. I think its comes in a blue pill, you know, the stuff that dumbs things down, promises all the free stufff and then allows you to rise to the occasion.
This is funny, here we have a story about the kid of someone who WAS a VP candidate getting into a fight. However, where is the story of the kid of the current VP that was kicked out of the Navy for failing a drug test? Binden son, who was given a waiver to join the Navy because of past drug offenses, fails a drug test 30 days after being given said drug waiver and kicked out.
Crickets… 🙂
What’s to say? He was kicked out. Is he complaining? No. He screwed up.
There. Done.
By the way, I pulled your blast on Clinton. Don’t do the defiance thing. You are free to feel how you want about him. I am free to not want to hear it. My blog, my rules. Stop trying to hijack posts.
Yeah, we sure dodged a bullet keeping the Palins from disgracing the White House because the Bidens (especially the coke-head son that just got kicked out of the Navy reserve) are sure classin’ up the joint.
It’s been a long time since there was a sense of dignity in the White House. Ronald Reagan wouldn’t take off his suit jacket when he was in the Oval Office. Draw your own comparison to Bill Clinton. And soon we may get a chance to see Bill Clinton back in the White House with more free time and less responsibility. There’s no way that will end up as an embarrassing scandal.
George Bush also had the same rule about dress in the oval office.
So what? I also believe the Obamas have conducted themselves well.
You all sure are touchy over the Palins. Geez. Is it because you still see Sarah as a hottie?
Wow, we’re touchy about our Sarah, aren’t we?
I like the reference to Reagan in terms of dignity. He was very dignified while he undermined the constitution and fostered distrust in government, even as he expanded it. He also did a dignified job of fostering racial distrust and disharmony. He was particularly dignified as he ignored the AIDS epidemic for years while it mushroomed out of control.
Now THAT’s dignity!
They are very touchy about Sarah.
I guess I poked a few bears, putting up Sarah and Lewinsky all in the same week.
I believe the Bushes, both sets, were dignified while in the White House. Politically, I don’t agree with them on much but I certainly don’t think they were disgraceful.
For that matter, no one showed more class during the transition that George and Laura Bush. Sometimes it just has to move past politics.
I can’t think of much that the Palins have done since their name surfaced thanks to that silly McCain.
Just curious, what is the lefts obsession with the Palin family? She ran as VP in 2008 and has been largely out of politics ever since. Yet they still live rent free in the heads of the left.
This just in…. the kid of woman who ran as a VP candidate 6 years ago just farted, news at 11. 🙂
I don’t care a whit about Palin. But it’s odd to see you harp on the lack of class for a former VP candidate from six years ago and completely ignore the current VP and his family. The Bidens can hold their own in any redneck contest. Bristol Palin might put out for anybody but I’d take that over Coke-head Biden. Daddy had to pull strings to get Coke-head in the Navy in the first place because of prior drug use. And Coke-head lasted a whole month before he failed a drug test. That’s a serious addict!
Middleman, you need to actually read something about Reagan and AIDS. You do know that the first openly gay couple to stay at the White House were guests of Nancy Reagan, right?
AIDS wasn’t ignored under Reagan. We barely knew what AIDS was until about 1983-1984. Reagan increased funding for AIDS research radically. From $44 million in 1983 ramping up every year to $1.6 billion in 1988. In total nearly $4 billion was spend on AIDS research under Reagan. And you say he ignored it? I’d love somebody to ignore me to the tune of $4 billion.
http://www.aids.gov/hiv-aids-basics/hiv-aids-101/aids-timeline/
The rest of your anti-Reagan rant is similarly out of touch and wrong, but I’ll pick on the easiest one to refute.
Ooh, we’re touchy about Ronnie too, eh?
The CDC declared AIDS an epidemic in 1982. Reagan first mentioned AIDS publicly in late 1985 AFTER the National Academy of Science criticized the US government’s response to the epidemic. His first speech on the subject was in 1987. Reagan refused to advocate safer sex and condom use, preferring to promote abstinence as a tactic to prevent spread of the disease.
I would say that constitutes ignoring it for years.
And Furby, just because Reagan didn’t veto funding provided for AIDS by congress doesn’t constitute leadership on the issue.
…. still no mention of coke head kids of the current VP. Both Biden kids, Hunter and Ashley have a history of cocaine abuse. But I suppose that subject is a bit too touchy for some 🙂
It is unsubstantiated in the first place. I am not going to libel someone on your say-so.
I actually don’t think cocaine use is redneck. I don’t advocate its use but it isn’t redneck. Meth is redneck.
Biden is a heavy-weight compared to Palin in the intellectual department.
So middleman, you are saying that you would have been happier if Reagan had made an empty speech that said the word “AIDS” in it rather than spend billions of dollars on research on a vaccine or cure.
No wonder you like Obama.
You also contradict yourself. The CDC is part of the executive branch. So the Reagan administration, which you say ignored AIDS in post 18, also declared it an epidemic in 1982 (post 22). Or are you going to somehow claim Congress gets credit for that too?
You must have been too young to remember the early 1980s. It wasn’t until 1984 that the CDC even figured out that AIDS was a sexually transmitted disease. That’s how little we knew about it at first. Thankfully, it was not ignored by the Reagan administration and the foundational research that eventually led to AZT and other treatments were funded.
I’m not claiming Reagan deserves any special credit with regards to AIDS. But there are thousands of people alive today that wouldn’t be if he had actually ignored AIDS. Your claim that he ignored AIDS is just a flat out lie.
Furby, I’m saying that the CDC was ahead of the president. I’m saying that it was declared an epidemic in 1982 and Reagan didn’t show any leadership at all until over three years later, and then a very lackluster response that didn’t effectively communicate information that would have had a real effect on the spread of the disease, AND he dragged his feet on approving funding (see below). THAT’s my claim.
Additional information on the lack of Reagan funding:
On December 6, 1983 a congressional subcommittee released The Federal Response to AIDS, a report criticizing the U.S. Government for failure to invest sufficient funding in AIDS surveillance and research.
In 1986, the National Academy of Sciences issued a report critical of the U.S. response to a “national health crisis.” The report calls for a U.S. $2 billion investment. An Institute of Medicine report calls for a national education campaign and for creating a National Commission on AIDS.
Sounds a little like Reagan was being dragged kicking and screaming into approving the funding and leading on AIDS, doesn’t it? THAT’s what I’m saying and it’s obviously no lie.
Actually, I was around back then and I do remember the criticism of the Reagan administration regarding AIDS- and rightly so.
Nah, you libs just never seem to get it that, when you open the door to carry out personalized attacks against conservatives, we are going to toss back your own kind. Bristol Palin, eh? We haven’t even touched yet the arrest record of that son of Al Gore. Or even Al Gore himself and the masseuse.
The material is endless — endless, I tell you.
AIDS was so little understood during the Reagan era that even official Americans in Africa had to be disabused by local researchers of the notion that the disease could be spread by a mosquito bite.
People in America still believe that. You don’t have to go to Africa to find stupidity and ignorance.
Why so much space to these people?
They are of no interest at present, IMHO.
Have you seen Palin on FOX lately?
Didn’t think so.
To stimulate discussion.
Palin always brings out the best and worst in us all.
Focus on policies and decisions of elected officials and candidates. We all have family ties that lead in directions we ourselves sometimes would prefer not to go. As someone once said (my paraphrase is inexact) “friends are God’s consolation prize for family”. I fancy myself to be a fairly responsible citizen. I’d hate to think what I would be considered if I were held responsible for every one of my relative’s behaviours.
Bristol Palin is as irrelevant as Biden’s offspring (although one of his sons served honorably and well, so at least we should give the VP an offset). Billy Carter, George W. Bush in his earlier days, some of the Kennedy cousins and nephews, Dennis Hanks, etc. etc. have no bearing on the political/policy issues facing the Nation. These are all distractions we impose upon ourselves. If we are intent on being good citizens, we’ll focus on the guys who actually are making the decisions and the quality of those decisions, not whether their relatives are avatars of graceful humanity.
The Palins are a fun distraction. We can all look at them and breath a sigh of relief.
She will live in infamy as one of those “near misses.”
She needs to be trotted out periodically to remind us of our near misses.
Talk about no substance. Great replay of sound bytes.
http://www.patheos.com/blogs/bristolpalin/2014/10/the-truth-about-the-palin-brawl-the-media-reveals-its-bias-against-conservative-women-once-again/
Here y’all go.
Is Bristol a conservative woman? You could have fooled me. If that’s the best “you’all” can do….geez
I would say Bristol is the queen of the RINOS if behavior is the standard.
The Palins are very family oriented. Bristol had her 5 year old with her at the brawl.
Can’t recall any past reports of the Palin family being involved in brawls like that. Sounds to me like the mistake they made was going to a birthday party where they ran into a bunch of drunken a**holes.
Give me a break. What women propels her pregnant teenage (child) daughter on to the global stage so she can run for office? What loudly self proclaimed uber conservative patriot resigns from her public office to further her personal ambitions (a path opened by public service) on THE FOURTH OF JULY.
Bidens son is a jerk and a druggie just like Rush Limbaugh. They are all three crummy representatives of our political and media culture. The childish and whiney tone rampant here of “I’ll raise you one republican for that democrat” is getting very old.
Well then they must practice at home as a group on how to respond in “what if” situations.
@Lyssa
Gotta agree with you. Palin certainly used her adorable children for her own
purposes. Remember how she carried the little boy with her on stage?
McCain’s handlers did him no favors when they picked Palin for his running mate.
And he was a nut to accept, but I suppose he had no choice. Don’t know what
goes on that high up in politics.
@middleman
I see, it’s the old No True Scotsman argument. When you can’t backup the argument that Reagan “ignored” AIDS, you fall back to “didn’t do enough”
Sorry, but I won’t play that game. You started with “nothing”, I countered with more than $4 billion, play your hand. If Reagan had donned sackcloth and ashes in 1980 you’d still claim he didn’t do enough. You pull some quotes from Democrats in Congress that are critical and a group of scientists looking for more funding? News flash: Opposing political parties criticize the other side no matter what, and scientists researching X always say the government needs to spend more money on X.
So would you have been happier if Reagan had forced SF to close the bathhouses in the early 80s? I don’t seem to remember much support on the left for that, even though it would have saved thousands of lives. (AIDS actually entered the US multiple times, as early as 1969, but did not spread widely due primarily to different sexual mores. The bathhouse culture in SF and NYC was ground zero for the spread of AIDS in those first few critical years.)
I suppose I should be glad you at least aren’t one of the wackos who claim the US government invented AIDS. Or is that your next fallback position?
As for the actual thread subject, it sounds like Palin is the new Nixon for the left. She’s just too much fun to kick around for some to resist. Somewhere out there, Dan Quayle is smiling since he’s off the hook.
I wonder if this nostalgia for 2008 on the left stems from the lack and good news these days. In these days of “Toxic” Obama, it’s more fun to think back to the heady days when he was “The One” and think of Caribou Barbie. Remember, you’ll always have “I can see Russia from my house”
(Yes, I know Sarah Palin never actually said that, but let’s not burst their bubble.)
Actually I heard her say something to that effect in one of her speeches.
Seriously Furby, did you think she was a viable vice presidential candidate?
I can’t tell you the number of moderates who considered that move a deal breaker and who ended up voting for Obama.
As for getting back to the thread, now that the actual story is out, instead of the one put out by the left…..
Why is is considered a good idea to socially attack a girl that was attacked at a party for defending a girl?
“Wednesday afternoon, CNN anchor Carol Costello hyped newly released audio of Sarah Palin’s daughter Bristol tearfully recounting her being physically assaulted during a fight the family was involved in last month by saying it was “quite possibly the best minute and a half of audio we’ve ever come across.” She grinned during the entire setup.
The anchor went on to say “sit back and enjoy,” before playing the audio, in which Bristol says she confronted a man who had allegedly pushed her little sister, only to have him shove her to the ground, then drag her by her feet while calling her an obscene name I cannot republish here that refers to the female anatomy.
Costello commented, still grinning, after the audio that “the long bleep” was her favorite part. She ended the segment by saying “you can thank me later.”
Costello is the same anchor who was enraged by the NFL’s apparent lack of concern for the wife of former Baltimore Ravens star Ray Rice, who was punched by the football player in an Atlantic City elevator in February.”
http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/cnn-anchor-liberals-give-grins-and-thumbs-up-to-violence-against-the-right-women/article/2555170#.VEkvt4qqmXU.twitter
Why is Palin being blamed when she is the victim of an assault?
I guess violence against CERTAIN women is okay……
I can’t speak for Costello.
The Palins just seem to have a paper trail of things that happen to them. Alaska state trooper gate, stalked moves in next door. Someone called her kid a name. You know, this doesn’t happen to normal people.
Let’s just say that most people who have been political figures have done a far better job of protecting their kids from the spotlight. Palin projected hers into the spotlight.
Additionally, they travel in a pack. Now if you went with your kids to a party and things looked a little on the rough side, wouldn’t you suggest leaving rather than hopping in the middle of the brawl like todd did? We still don’t know how it started.
They just act like rednecks. That’s pretty much my only point.
No one said it was ok to beat up the Palin girls. I bet they got a few blows in there also.
Sarah Palin .. people forget. She had the Democratic party shaking in our boots in 2008. She came out, she gave that speech at the convention. That was, hands down, one of the best convention speeches – not by a woman, by anybody in 2008. People were running for the hills.
Loesch immediately pointed out that the narrative in 2008 was that Palin was too dumb to be considered for office, and that the conventional wisdom everyone was supposed to buy, that she brought the ticket down, didn’t match Van Jones’ characterization. But Van Jones had an explanation for that. They were just liars.
“Now it can be told! Now it can be told! We were scared!”
By Van Jones, former Obama official.
_____________________________________
She STILL lives rent free in their heads.
And she STILL would have been light years ahead of Biden OR Obama, even at her worst. The moderates weren’t going to vote for McCain if that was the reason they used for not voting for the better candidate.
You are delusional. I don’t recall the Democrats quivering or anything else.
The best speech? It is because you wanted it to be. Sarah Palin has no substance. She is the queen of the sound byte.
I don’t think Van Jones speaks for the Democrats.
Your opinion is that she would be better than Biden. Holy crap. that is almost scary. You just lost some cred on that one, Cargo.
@Cargosquid
Read the police reports or listen to a few of these recordings for more entertainment from the Wasilla hillbillies.
http://www.adn.com/article/20141021/police-photos-audio-released-scene-party-brawl-involving-palins
That was beyond redneck. I didn’t listen to it all but enough to get the gist of the situation.
Palins arrive in a hummer limo. Kids are intoxicated. Keep it classy Palins, keep it classy.
I ran from McCain – guess we saw that differently.
I ran from Palin. Not even close to being prepared for public office on a national level.
@CS (#47): She absolutely thrilled the Democrats in 2008. Her convention speech was the high point and it was precipitously downhill from there. Her choice was a self-inflicted wound on our party. In defense of McCain and his staff, I think they knew they had an almost impossible task and that they had to find something novel, something “outside the box.” What they came up with, though, really put the election out of reach for us. It was a Hail Mary that got intercepted and run back for a game-winning score.
Sarah Palin was and is revered by a segment of the population – and no matter how her husband and kids act, they see no wrong in what she does or how she raised her children. Todd and Track both ended up with their shirts off in the scuffle. Both daughters were there in their drunken best. I can imagine what it is like when they drive up to a private party – “….look, the Palins are here, party on……”. Shame that people that are so Bible thumping feel that this is acceptable behavior.
Myself – my family does not act like that. We do not hang with people that are like that. We do like to have a party. We do not watch, nor find entertaining, Honey Boo-Boo. Palin wants to show off and party with her family – good luck to her. I look at her and say – she failed as a mother based on the way her kids act in public and because she is right there with her brood drinking away embarrassing themselves onto the front page of every paper and cable programs – except fox, as they will say it did not happen.
Bringing in Biden and his sons addiction shows a lack of understanding of the issue. His Son has an acknowledged addiction problem that is obviously not addressed or he has relapsed. Embarrassing – Hell Yeah. On par with the Palins, Hell No. Was Joe himself partying with his Son, I do not think so. Does Joe try to help his Son – probably yes.
Good job of exposing the difference in Palin family relations and Biden’s. Let us also not forget that Biden lost his first wife and kid in an accident. He traveled back and forth between Washington and home to be a parent.
Yes, sometimes our kids fall short of our expectations. Sometimes they even embarrass us. However, we aren’t out there whooping it up with them in a drunken stupor, telling them not to cuss. (heard in background) Palin always has some excuse for her kids also. I hate parent excuses for bad behavior. When mine have been bad (and they have been) I am probably their toughest critic. I don’t make up excuses for them.
@Moon-howler
I never said Palin was or wasn’t a viable VP candidate. But since you asked, I didn’t think she was up to the job after she bombed the Katie Couric interview. You’ll also notice I haven’t said a word in defense of Palin because I really don’t care. If you had to classify me, I’m not pro-Palin. I’m anti-anti-Palin. But all of this is old news. The woman has been out of office for years, its time to move on. If you want to say she’s a still celebrity, fine. Make this a page 3 blog and cover Palin along with the Karadassians and Paris Hilton. But if you are going to be “a place for grown ups” then you should talk about more relevant things.
What I find more interesting is that some people are far more interested in the antics of the Palin family than the current VP. The VP pulls strings to get his coke head son in the Navy who then gets kicked out in less than a month. That’s a political scandal. But crickets here. Ditto on Jeff Foust’s attacking Comstock for “never having a real job” But if Todd Palin farted in church it would be posted here before the stink hit the back of the pew.
So again, it has nothing to do with if I like Palin or not. It’s about the ridiculous double standard that gets applied here among people who claim to be independent and moderate.
Apparently you haven’t heard me on the subject of John Edwards…..
Palin bashing is fun. Lighten up. She is the gift that never stops giving. I will continue to cover that family’s antics because she could be in the White House. People need a strong reminder of what almost was…. That fact is VERY relevant.
How does Biden’s kid affect this country? It doesn’t. He is an adult with an addiction problem. It’s far from a scandal in my eyes. Why haven’t I discussed it? I just did. Gasp! The VP’s kid has an addiction problem. Done. Over.
“A place for civil debate”, indeed.
Oddly, enough, you are agreeing with me. You like talking about Palin because it’s fun. There’s no real reason to discuss this brawl, but it’s fun for your side. That’s fine. Wear your bias openly.
You don’t like talking about Biden pulling strings for his druggie kids because it’s not fun, not because it isn’t newsworthy. You don’t think it says something about Biden that instead of trying to get his son clean he pulls strings to put him in the Navy, as an officer! That’s what our sailors need leading them, a drug addicted political hack. “Damn the torpedoes, this is primo blow!”
But the current Vice President thought putting his coke head son in the Navy was a good idea. Remember, this wasn’t coke head’s first offence either. Biden knew his son had a drug addiction and still pulled strings to get him in the Navy. What does that say about his judgement? What will he do next to advance his son’s career? Maybe a judgeship?
Now, be honest. If this was a few years ago and it was Dick Cheney and one of his kids instead of Biden, would you have ignored it the same way?
Apparently the people here are also not adult here because the Palin thread has been very popular.
Here’s the deal, Furby. You can think what you like about me and this blog. It’s fine. You aren’t going to slut-shame me into going easy on Palin. To my knowledge, she has no addictions. I am not sure about her kids nor do I care.
If you have a burning desire to discuss Joe Biden, I suggest you start your own blog. I am not interested in doing it.
All sorts of people have had a grand old time defending Palin, including you.
Is there a reason I can’t have entertainment on this blog? We have discussed movies, recordings, TV shows, etc. I believe the blur for the open thread is about leaf watching. I didn’t realize I was supposed to be a serious political blog. Does that mean I can’t comment of Palin clubbing that haddock to death? How about Duck Dynasty? No more DD talk?
Just trying to understand the new rules here.
@Furby McPhee
can you expand on the strings pulled by Biden to get his Son accepted into the Navy?
@Moon-howler
I didn’t say that.
VAN JONES said it. I’m reporting a Democrat’s words. Everything above the line is from Van Jones. Not me.
Take it up with him.
I didn’t see the speech.
As for my cred…. I didn’t know I had “cred.” Not my problem if you think that joke Biden and the incompetent Obama are better than Palin.
“People need a strong reminder of what almost was…. That fact is VERY relevant.”
Guess we need to start bringing up Hillary’s past again. The voters need to be informed. Most of them were children during those shenanigans and scandals and failures.
@Furby McPhee
Well said.
Most voters were children during the Clinton years? Ha!
Blow Biden had to be given two waivers to get into the Navy. One because of his age (44) and the other because he’s a coke addict. He was also directly commissioned under a program meant for people with vital skills. He was a public affairs officer. Not exactly the rarest of skills or critical to the Navy.
The Navy isn’t releasing any information about how the waivers were approved, but if you think the Navy would do all this for some random 44 year old drug addict, you’ve been partying with the Bidens too much.
Maybe next year the Senate Armed Services Committee can look into it and we can find out more then. (I’m just joking here, but it would be nice to know.)
But Moon-howler is right. One of the daughters of a former VP candidate was involved in a bar fight. That’s what we should be focusing on.
American Exceptionalism
Palin’s response: “I understand that the CNN host who laughed at my daughter describing her assault has issued an apology to Politico. (Why Politico needs an apology is anyone’s guess. No one at CNN contacted my family regarding an apology, in case you were wondering. CNN contacts us directly on a regular basis with inquiries and requests for comment, so it’s not for lack of contact information that they didn’t reach out. But perhaps Carol Costello should phone Martin Bashir. He knows how to reach us.)”
What did they laugh at her over?
Good question. The full story and video (less the part that CNN convieniently bleeped out) is searchable. Costello should be fired – not asked to apologize . If this had happened to Clinton’s daughter or any other Democrat, I know you would be calling for her removal too.
Since I have no clue what was said, it is difficult to comment or call for anyone’s removal.
Actually I didn’t call for the removal of SNL when they were cruel about Chelsea Clinton. I just stopped watching them because it was in poor taste.
Blue you are so partisan. Do you remember my remarks when A-Rod made crude statements about Bristol? How about Letterman?
Now I have to say it. Why is it that the same person gets picked on continually and is always a victim. Do you see a pattern here? I can’t remember this much hoopla about the Clinton child, the Bush girls or the Obama girls–all combined as over the Palin girls.
Perhaps those presidents and their wives tried to shield their children from wagging tongues, late night TV and others who might not be well wishers. They also did all in their power to not allow their children to display attention-seeking behaviors.
I think maybe they were all on to something.