Dick Black’s statement regarding Senate Bill 722:
There is a Federal Statute that says that if you give in-state tuition to unlawful immigrants then you must give in-state tuition to Americans from other states. It just makes sense that Americans should receive as much consideration as people here illegally. Giving in-state tuition moves illegal immigrants to the front of the line. For every unlawful person who get in-state tuition, there will be an American who can’t go to college in Virginia and that’s unfair. Any time you give something free to a person here illegally, you have to take it from an American.
I would like to see a copy of that law. I find it hard to believe that there is a law stating such bullsh!t.
Giving in-state tuition is not a finite situation in that there are is no set number of allocated in-state tuition slots. There is no line. No one is taking anything from an American. It isn’t “giving something for free” either.
The immigrant kids who would be eligible for in-state tuition would have served their residency requirement just like every other Virginia kid. They are Virginia kids. They have lived here, worked here, studied here, and paid taxes.
The Virginia law is clear. Let’s not obfuscate the laws because Virginia laws don’t fit into Dick Black’s world vision which mandates that he hand out plastic fetuses. I hope this year he hands out little tiny bricks to place on their heads, just in case their mothers are illegal immigrants.
Dick Black’s right-to-life’s a lie
He doesn’t care how hard kids try.
Save every fetus but make sure you smash its hopes and dreams when it becomes a kid.
Dick Black’s amendment is pure BS because those kids have received a status designating them as Temporary Protected Status. Since 2007, all Virginia college students with the permit, called TPS, are eligible for the tuition break, officials said. According to the Washington Post, this decision was made under Governor Robert McDonnell.
Those protected by DACA laws should also be eligible. Let’s let those residents who have gone to school here in the Old Dominion and have grown up as Virginians alone. To quote that immortal bard, Sting, this is “the last humiliating kick in the crotch.”
I can’t decide what’s more disturbing: 1) Dick Black says this kind of thing thinking it is true; or 2) Dick Black knows it isn’t true, but figures that his constituents are such manipulable dolts that they can be aroused to hysterical pro-Black fervor by his saying stuff like this.
I guess in the current state of American politics, I have more respect for politicians in category no. 2). At least there is the possibility that when the chips are down, they could think their way to a position that is in the best interests of the country/state/municipality. Pols in first category can’t think their way out of their positions.
I just assumed he was intentionally lying but I could be wrong.
I can’t think of why any person with a brain would think that ignorance is good for people.
We have an investment in these kids. We have educated them, in most cases k-12, and I want them going on, learning more, getting a good job and contributing to our state.
Why would anyone try to throw up a road block over in-state tuition. IN state rates for IN STATE kids makes all the difference in the world as to whether many kids even go to college.
8 U.S.C. § 1623 – part of the IIRIRA – signed by Clinton –
Notwithstanding any other provision of law, an alien who is not lawfully present in the United States shall not be eligible on the basis of residence within a State (or a political subdivision) for any postsecondary education benefit unless a citizen or national of the United States is eligible for such a benefit (in no less an amount, duration, and scope) without regard to whether the citizens or national is such a resident.
Texas, California, New York, Utah, Illinois, Washington, Oklahoma, Kansas, New Mexico, and Nebraska are among the states that provide in-state tuition. They each have their own residency requirements that get around the provision – just like Virginia does in that the parents have had to have paid income tax for the residency year.
Pat just provided a copy of the relevant law. Surprised Scout couldn’t do it. A law signed by a sacred cow no less.
Dick “Plastic Fetus” Black. That is a rip-roaring laugh. A bunch of Dems in Richmond wet their PC undies when confronted with a plastic image of a fetus. But they stayed dry when Joe “Underage Girl” Morissey brought a semi-automatic weapon into the House Chamber and raised it high with his thumb inside the trigger guard. ROFL.
I am calling bullshit on you, Wolve. No Democrats wet their undies over a plastic fetus. They just thought he was a tasteless AH. Seriously, what grown man goes around handing out plastic fetuses? They aren’t gross, its just stupid and childish. Haven’t you been fetused before?
Democrats think Joe Morrissy is a fool. They think Dick Black is a fool.
I think Dick Black is a liar.
Clinton a “sacred cow”, Wolve? Hardly. He took tons of heat as President. I certainly slung a few arrows in his direction and I thought I was part of a very large movement.
No state has had any problem establishing residency requirements that preserve in-state tuition for in-state residents. Black either knows this or is ignorant of it. As I said in my earlier comment, I’m not sure which is worse.
He means here…Clinton is a sacred cow.
Scout — You’ve just got to keep up with this site. “Sacred cow” is not my term. All I did was teasingly refer to the Sacred Cow Law of the Moonhowlings blog. Didn’t you see that stern look I was given a couple of posts back? Burned the lettering right off my laptop “C” key!
Now, I think the original charge here was that Sen. Dick Black was either (1) ignorant enough to refer to a law that doesn’t exist; or (2) deliberately lying about the existence of such a law. Pat gave you the law. Now you both try to sneak out of your false accusations against Black with a lot of diversionary muttering. Shame on the both of ya. Repent!
“I’m calling bullshit on you, Wolve.”
By Jove, I think she’s got it! Clinton–sacred cow– bullshit. Trifecta!!!
Oh, those fellers wet their undies alright — purely in a figurative sense, of course. Some are still talking about it…..as if Dick had sneaked under their desks and given everyone a hot foot. I think they just couldn’t stand to see up close something which reminded them of what they had been doing at a distance. In the meantime, Dick moved from Delegate to Senator in spite of all the liberal hate shoveled his way. Kind of makes you understand how he had the gonads to fly so many combat and evac chopper missions in Vietnam.
Calling it again. You really don’t understand the pro choice community at all. Have you ever seen one of the plastic fetuses? Seriously. No one is that prissy that they can’t look at plastic fetuses. I think mine sat on the kitchen table for a couple weeks. A friend of mine had gotten fetused and brought it to me. I believe he said “Dick was here” when he gave it to me. I gave it to my husband.
It just a childish and stupid thing for him to do. Its dealing with the concrete rather than looking at all the reasons women chose abortion.
Trust me. The plastic fetuses don’t make anyone squeamish. If someone told you they do, they were wrong.
Plastic fetuses just piss me off because Dick Black thinks that solves the issue and that he has really “gotten” everyone with his cleverness. Then he votes against Planned Parenthood. I just think he is stupid and a horrible legislator.
This latest stunt to try to make it financially difficult, if not impossible, for young people whose parents were undocumented immigrants, to go to college in Virginia. He really is a very basic person and doesn’t look beyond his nose for solutions.
I have no idea how he got elected. What do you folks put in the water over there. I understand how Bob Marshall gets elected. Black., not so much.
We can count on you, Cato.
And you can count on me to take down scatological Cato remarks.
@Cato
I dislike and am intolerant of bathroom humor.
The only reason why Dick Black was elected was the Republican Primary –
Dick Black – 38% Stirrup 37% FItzsommonds 23%.
Fitz did a better jobs campaigning in Loudoun than Stirrup. The rest is history.
The scary part is, Stirrup is the best of the lot.
Why does that district put up people who are so …..ultra conservative to the point I question what century they live in.
@Wolve
Pushing the like button here.
I think you should have left it up. It confirms Cato’s place as a regular commenter.
*I* didnt want to see it. He has been warned about how I feel about bathroom humor. Nasal humor gets the same treatment.
Sorry Mom! I’ll never do it again, promise!
Thank you. [Pat on head]
Dick Bkack is a liar
In-state college is a zero-sum gain. The choice is between being “mean-spirited” toward illegal aliens or being “mean-spirited” toward American citizens.
So long as state-supported universities in Virginia are not allowed to give preference to illegal aliens as minority students, then there might be room for compromise. Head-to-head competition between illegal aliens and legal residents in which applicants with the best scores and highest academic rankings are admitted is one thing, but “affirmative action” for illegal aliens is quite another.
You might reasonably point out that no one has mentioned affirmative action for illegal aliens. However, once illegal aliens are eligible for in-state admission, there is nothing that I know of that would prevent them from being considered as minority applicants. This would then give them preference over more highly qualified American students. That would be extremely unfair to American kids who worked hard, did the right things, but are denied acceptance in favor of less accomplished students who are not in the country legally.
I don’t know who is doing affirmative action and who isn’t. However, what is the difference in a highly qualified student in status and a highly qualified student whose is not in status because of DACA?
I will have to go on record as not being a fan of affirmative action. I have seen it misused far too much over the years. At any rate, I have heard no mention of it having anything to do with in state tuition. Right now, I believe the DACA eligible students may apply to any college. If they have the grades, they will be considered.
Nasal humor ?
yes, nasal humor is not appreciated here. Think about it.
I normally stay far away from the abortion issue, since positions are so hardened on both sides and there’s just not much room for compromise. I’ll just say that Black’s creepy baby stunt was to get publicity and it worked, although not completely in the way he might have intended. I know a lot of folks (on both sides) who totally discounted him after that.
Speaking of creepy baby figures, has anyone ever had a King Cake from New Orleans around Mardi Gras time? My Dad used to send us one every year, and I would do my best to NOT find the baby inside, even though it was supposed to bring luck. Just too weird!
No. Never had one. Perhaps Cargo has?
Dick Black passes around plastic fetuses to call attention to his pro-life agenda. Joe Morrissey waves a real AK-47, magazine inserted, thumb on the trigger, to call attention to his anti-gun agenda. Dick Black served his country in Viet Nam, and is a highly decorated war hero. Joe Morrissey is a once and future disbarred attorney and convicted statutory rapist. Dick Black may be interpreting the law from a conservative perspective. Joe Morrissey has little regard for the law, and flat out lied about his sexual involvement with a 17 year old girl, and whether or not he was fully aware of her age, prior to engaging in intercourse with the girl.
So, if we are going for some kind of moral equivalency, I think you might want to pick a different Dem to use as a yardstick. When you look at these men, which one do you think holds a woman/children in higher regard? The man who flew choppers into hot LZ’s to extract wounded husbands, fathers and sons, at great risk to his own life? Or the “gentleman” from Henrico, who screws a 17 yearold girl on the conference room table in his law office?
And if you want to claim Dick Black (also an attorney) is “lying”, when there is and actual US code section cited, then you need to consider Joe Morrissey’s claims made on the House floor:
“A lot of people don’t know that in many locations in the commonwealth, you can take this gun, you can walk in the middle of Main Street loaded and not be in violation of the law.”
The reason a lot of people don’t know this, is because Joe was flat-out lying. It is illegal to carry a long-gun, let alone a loaded long gun, in public, or on a public road, unless you are engaged in lawful hunting, and have the permission to hunt on the private land on BOTH sides of the road.
I thought Black’s stunt silly. I thought Morrissey’s stunt dangerous.
Why do you all think I am defending Morrissy? Why should I continue to talk about him? He is a dirt-bag. There is nothing else to say.
On the other hand, Dick Black is co-sponsoring legislation that I feel is repugnant, basically immoral and hurts young people. I don’t think “regard for women” is even on the table at the moment. Regard for students is.
Dick Black skirts around the truth to serve his own political ends.
Seriously, what will it take to get you to believe that I think Joe Morrissey is a fool and a dirt bag? Why do you keep talking about him? Really, no one is disagreeing with you.
@Kelly_3406
Kelly – can you point me to any reference to the numbers of people admitted with minority status – and what constitutes a minority? Thanks.
I didn’t mention Joe till you did, comparing Black to Morrissey, and made plastic fetuses germane to a discussion on illegal immigration. Joe Morrissey has issues with “skirts” and “truth”.
I cant imagine why I would do that. I will go check.
I did not compare Morrissey to Black. I responded to something Wolve said. My response was they were both fools. I never brought Morrisey up.
@Steve Thomas
While you may disagree with Dick Black’s principles, it’s clear that he has some. Joe Morrissey is a sociopath.
I repeat….why are you discussing Morrissey? He has nothing to do with Dick Black. We might as well be talking about Charles Manson or Kim Jong-un. I have no idea how Morrisey, Charlie Manson or Kim Jong-un feel about DACA students nor do I care. None are sponsoring legislation that puts a brick on their respective heads.
“I am calling bullshit on you, Wolve. No Democrats wet their undies over a plastic fetus. They just thought he was a tasteless AH. Seriously, what grown man goes around handing out plastic fetuses? They aren’t gross, its just stupid and childish. Haven’t you been fetused before?
Democrats think Joe Morrissy is a fool. They think Dick Black is a fool.
I think Dick Black is a liar.”
Again, and I repeat, it was you who made the linkage and references to Joe Morrissey, plastic fetuses and impugning the integrity of Dick Black. What does this have to do with Black’s proposed legislation? Dick Black is an attorney. He practiced Military Law as both a JAG officer, and civilian attorney. I would surmise that he is qualified to 1) research precedent and case law, and 2) reasonably interpret the application of the federal law. With items #1 and #2 as supporting my argument, I refute your assertion that Dick Black doesn’t know what he’s talking about, (I believe you called him a liar), regarding the legal basis for his proposed legislation. I would further assert that your perception on this issue is significantly colored by your own views on pro-choice issues (note, I did not use the “A” word”). You referred to Dick Black as a “fool”, and proceeded to make some subjective measure using Joe Morrissey as the “Fools Yardstick” and came up with an equivocation. I am refuting that.
If federal law does in fact prohibit what the McAuliffe admin is trying to do, ie. executive action, then Dick Black is performing his sworn duty to “protect and defend the Constitution of Virginia”, against an illegal action. You may not like him, but he’s not fool, and certainly shouldn’t be compared to Joe Morrissey.
Last time here. I did not compare Black to Morrissey. I responded to a comment that Wolve made. I said each was a fool.
I do think Dick Black is a fool. I also think he is a liar based on remarks he has made about the A word. I think he is a liar about in-state tuition. What’s worse, I think he knows better and is simply acting to stir up his base at the expense of kids who have overcome a lot of odds and jumped over many hurdles to get where they are today. That is unforgivable.
To me, pro-life doesn’t end at birth. Obviously Black wants to drive a point home at these kids’ expense.
I am glad the bill failed. Apparently at least one man had a conscience when it came to immigrant kids.
These kids could have just as easily been drop outs, joined a gang or sold drugs. Instead, they worked hard and had academic accomplishments.
Dick Black should not let facts get in his way. Plenty of attorneys know truth from fiction and twist and garble the the truth to get the end result they want or need.
@Steve Thomas
Or put another way: Were I in a hot LZ, who would I depend on to come for me? Joe Morrissey? No! Dick Black. If I needed someone to watch my daughter, who would I trust? Joe Morrissey? No! Dick Black. Who would I trust to handle an AK-47 on the floor of the House of Delegates? Joe Morrissey? No! Dick Black. Who would I trust to know and respect the law? Joe Morrissey? No! Dick Black
I am sure that Joe Morrissey supports giving in-state tuition to illegal aliens, because it just might improve his dating prospects.
It doesn’t sound like he is going to get a chance to vote on it.
I wouldn’t trust either of them in any scenario.
It’s dead. Virginia Senate killed it.
Cheer!!!!
WaPo:
This is the bill this year that I really cared about. I am happy.
81 undocumented Virginia kids are taking advantage of in state tuition.
81? That’s it?
@Moon-howler
Well there you go; democracy in action. I guess Senator John C. Watkins is now one of your favs.
I respect that he did the right thing rather than the party line. Would he have done that if he weren’t retiring?
Moderate REpublicans are becoming an endangered species, aren’t they?
I guess that depends on how you define “Moderate”. It’s a very subjective term. Same could be said of “Conservative”, considering all the cries of “RINO” (a label I despise).
On another note, the GOP-controlled VA Senate voted to restore regular rules of order. Remember, these rules were suspended by the Dems, when they controlled the VA Senate, and understand that it was for the sole purpose of dominating the legislative operation of the Senate. So how about some love for the GOP Senate that wishes to respect the role of the “Loyal Opposition” in our democratic process.
I think *I* am a moderate. I also hate the term RINO. I am not sure what conservatives are now. Maybe I just really don’t like labels but feel compelled to use them so I can communicate.
Not showing any love for the GA yet. So far I have been happy with the one little thing that happened. That’s just a very special topic for me …allowing kids to go to school on in-state tuition. It’s not doled out in specific amounts, that’s why I feel to deny them is so mean spirited. If there were only X dollars to go around, I might…MIGHT…see another point of view.