By now I am certain everyone is totally sick of the various caucuses. I have lost track of what’s next.
How interesting that the mighty Trump didn’t prevail in Iowa…or is it? Iowa is heavy in the evangelical department and apparently Ted Cruz is popular amongst that subset of voters. (I haven’t figured out why because he appears to be mean as a snake.)
Trump actually took coming in second pretty well for a narcissist. I still want to make Rubio sit at the “little table” at all holidays.
So, who is worse? Worse in what way? Worse for the Republican party might be a place to start. Who would be worse for the country? Trump or Cruz?
If you held a gun to my head and told me I had to vote for one or the other, I would vote for Trump. Why? I think Trump is living on borrowed ideology. The power of his belief system could easily be over-ruled by pragmatism. Cruz—not so much. He believes in his cause and his own sense of righteousness, or so it appears. That is why he is more dangerous than Trump.
Don’t get me wrong..a gun would have to be involved and aimed right at my skull.
My vote is for Trump being worse. If Cruz was a Democrat the headline would read “First Hispanic Ever to Win Iowa Caucuses!”.
I have a question… who is worse, socialist Sanders or Clinton under an FBI criminal investigation? The way in which Clinton ‘won’ is pretty unbelievable as well. Apparently Democrats in Iowa decided the winner by a series of coin flips (which Hillary suspiciously won six out of six times). Seriously, you can’t make this $hit up, coin flips. That is how Democrats decided their nominee.
The Saunders/Clinton question isn’t on the table here. Take it to the open thread.
I am on high alert for hi-jacking.
Cruz makes my skin crawl. I don’t trust him. I know in this video he was joking but I don’t find it funny. Trump is smart and would probably drop the rhetoric that has gotten him press and at least try to make the country a better place.
http://nypost.com/2016/01/25/teenage-ted-cruz-says-he-wants-world-domination-in-weird-video/
In reading this post, I can’t help but suspect the conscious or unconscious motivation for asking the question is the high likelihood (at least at this point) that one of these two men will be the next president. Hillary’s campaign is really starting to slip, having to rely on a coin flip, and luck to grab her razor thin win. The lack of a decisive win in Iowa, will mean she gets clobbered even worse in NH, and the lack of momentum may cost her SC. But suppose she survives. There’s the steady drip-drip-drip of the very real email scandal. She might escape an indictment, but she’ll never be president. The intel community will see to that.
Is the country at large ready to elect an avowed socialist (as opposed to a closeted one)? I don’t think so.
History is also against the Democrats holding the white house. Rarely does the country award a third term to the same party.
Cruz or Trump? My money is on Rubio, not that I support him at this point. If he places #2 in NH, he will win in SC, and then begin to pull ahead of both Trump and Cruz.
I don’t know who will be president. I don’t think it is all doom and gloom for Hillary even though it has been a GOP objective for literally years.
n.As for Bernie being a socialist, I don’t really think he is–not in terms of the modern world. He might be president if enough young people get behind him. His demographic certainly elected Bill Clinton. I am surprised that the older people don’t like him–he certainly advocates for him. I think it is that word…socialism. When I was coming along it was a much dirtier word.
@Steve Thomas
Completely agree about Rubio, if he does well in NH he will not only gain momentum but donor $ as well. Plus more and more of the lower tier candidates are going to be dropping out and I think that their supporters will most likely go to Rubio.
He is extremely extreme when all is said and done. How about his age?
He seems unoffensive until one starts looking at his positions on various things of great importance to me.
@Jackson Bills
Indeed. As much as I hate to use the word “establishment”, there’s a bunch of single-digit candidates who will be dropping. If their supporters breaks primarily for Rubio, the “Mo” will be running.
What I find supremely odd, is the lack of supreme outrage on the part of the Sandernista’s over the shenanigans that have been documented to have occurred during the Democrat caucus. Missing documents. A coin toss not provided for by the rules.
You are paying closer attention than I am.
I am predicting the final runner will be Jeb Bush.
Frankly, I wish the entire election was over. I am so bored with it. TV makes it even worse.
I know who I am voting for…and it has really nothing to do with that office but more the Supreme Court appointment. I could go into a coma and escape the madness. Sigh.
Ditto… not to mention the fact that Hillary claimed victory before the final count was even known. If I’m not mistaken Sanders has already asked for an investigation into the coin flipping which Hillary won 6 out of 6 in a row (the odds of doing that are 64-1). Something doesn’t smell right with the Dem caucuses, but then again, Hillary is involved so it should be expected something shady would happen.
@Moon-howler
“I don’t think it is all doom and gloom for Hillary even though it has been a GOP objective for literally years.”
Moon, as much as the Clinton campaign is trying to spin this as a partisan attack, the server/email thing is REAL. Whitewater, Travelgate, Benghazi…these were “scandals”. There is already enough evidence that actual, serious felonies were committed by Clinton and her staff, to support an indictment. If she is not indicted, that will be a partisan decision. If she’s indicted, she will be done.
As far as “doom and gloom”, I will say this: If Clinton is not indicted, or goes on to be elected President, we are no longer a nation of laws, and the Federal government (specifically the Executive) is no longer fit to claim the authority to govern We the People, and We the People are no longer fit to govern ourselves.
That’s how I feel about Trump, Rubio, and Cruz. Different world views I guess.
Jeb Bush will be out after SC. His monied supporters are defecting to Rubio. He will likely end up endorsing Rubio, to stay in the good graces of “the establishment” and remain viable for a 2020 run, should the GOP falter in November.
You could be right. I don’t claim to understand the internal workings of either political party. However, not sure Rubio can claim enough cross over votes.
Rubio is extremely extreme? Marco Rubio? The senator from Florida Marco Rubio?
He’s “extreme” in your opinion. His positions are closer to the center than any other viable GOP candidate. In my opinion, the Dem field is made up of an “extreme” socialist, and an “extreme” criminal. The “I don’t care as long as they will protect Roe v. Wade”, speaks volumes.
I see the thread has been deflected to the Democratic field. I guess none of the Republicans wants to admit that he/she might have to vote for one or the other.
Those of us who are truly independent thinkers have other choices. You’d have to threaten to shoot me as well to get me to vote for either Cruz or Trump.
Yea, it would have to be at gun point, for sure.
@Censored bybvbl
Your funny Censored… being the truly independent thinker you are what are the vast number of choices you have and which one are you leaning towards?
Who is worse? Rubio is worse. Trump has the business and media acumen that is needed for a modern presidency, is not intimidated by power nor is he likely to become drunk by the trappings of power like our current God-king. I also agree that – short of being a Bush I or II – he is less ideologically fixed, which should allow for getting some things done. Cruz is a believer and hard nosed, which I like. He has been faithful to his election promises as he has stood for liberty and the original intent Constitution, but if you think Democrats made race and polarization a shinning defense of their agenda over the past 8 years, you ain’t seen nothing yet, if Cruz were to be elected. Rubio is a political hack of the first order, a suck up who best I can tell stands for nothing and has not demonstrated any of the presidential qualities noted above for either man. A young McCain without the gravitates or experience. Rubio represents the old party, the party of slowing progressivism not reversing it. He is all talk, but when it comes to standing firm – there is no spine to find – but I repeat myself – he is a young political hack with dreams of grandeur, but I repeat myself again.
Socialists like Bernie have been elected throughout the third world. The difference is that in those cases those who had little to lose (food comes first and liberty comes later as a luxury) went for socialism. He represents an economics educational failure from the young, who see the dream not the reality of economic collapse and wealth destruction not just redistribution. Is he worse than Hillary – you bet, but only because he can and will expand the polarization that Obama has already begun. Actually I think Sanders is the inheritor of the Obama legacy. The question is, will middle aged democrats hold their nose and support a known repeat criminal for that high office? Unfortunately, I think they will, and over time, that is as bad as supporting Sanders.
Democrats and many independents don’t think Hillary or Bill are criminals. You all have been doing a mind (ahem) on each other so much you are convinced.
I am not. Hillary is ok. I am just bored by all of them. I get this way in the presidential cycle though. You will have to pardon my lack of enthusiasm. I vote supreme court. That’s about it.
@Jackson Bills
I’m capable of looking beyond an “R” or “D” and voting for the party which most likely will move forward into the 21st. century – the party which is willing to try to represent the majority of voters in this country. As a woman, I’m not going to vote for any of the Republicans this time. In fact, I’ve only voted for them on the local level in the last decade or two.
For me, Trump is too volatile and narcissistic and Cruz is a typical dirty-trick playing politician with a dose of smarminess throw in. But, if either is the Republican nominee, are you going to actually vote for him?
@Censored bybvbl
“I see the thread has been deflected to the Democratic field. I guess none of the Republicans wants to admit that he/she might have to vote for one or the other.”
Better than holding my breath, waiting for a “Who’s worse, Clinton or Sanders?” thread.
You all can discuss it in the open thread if you want. I was just extending a conversation Elena and I had had.
Hillary will kick Trump’s or Cruz’s butt. Rubio would be tough for her to defeat.
Starry, care to enter into a friendly wager?
Interesting. I think Hillary could kick Trump or Cruz. I hadn’t thought about Rubio.
You still didn’t answer my question enlightened independent thinker… what are the vast choices does someone as blessed as you have and who are you leaning towards?
@Censored bybvbl
By the way… not sure if you know this or not but there are a few more Republicans running than just Trump and Cruz.
Yea there are. They are also dropping like flies.
Can I get in on that?
@Jackson Bills
I don’t live under the rock which you assume I do. I’m aware other candidates are running. The thread asked which of the two candidates – Trump or Cruz – would you vote for. I’m asking if you would vote for either of those candidates if they end up being the Republican nominee? Seems pretty simple.
I have the choice of Clinton (whom I don’t like but probably will vote for) or Sanders (whom I like and would probably vote for) or another third party candidate if one runs.
@Censored bybvbl
To be honest I would hold my nose and vote for anyone other than a 74 year old socialist or a criminal who should be wearing a new set of chrome bracelets. I would even consider third party as well depending on who ran.
I would wager if I were a betting man.
One thing that I find interesting is the laser like focus on just one side of the ticket. I thought that it may all just be in my head but I went thru looking for threads about both Republican candidate and Democrat candidates and there seems to be a hint of a trend…
Threads about Republican Candidates:
– Who is worse? Trump or Cruz?
– Misogynist Trump still attacks Megyn Kelly
– Trump Youth Corp?
– Trump efforts to suppress GOP pledge fail in court
– Virginia Trump supporters sue Va GOP
– The World of Trump
– Is Trump being set up for a Bill Clinton beat-down?
– Trump and RPV at war
– Little Trumpy Trash Trap
– Trump continues the Putin bromance
– Colbert “Trumps up” Jon Stewart over Zadroga Act
– Trump gets the bird
– The Trump consensus
– Trump proposal: Ban all Muslims from entering the US
– Ben Carson: No Cujo analogies!!!
– Top Runners? Ridiculously scary!
– Christie gets to the heart of it: Pro-life for the whole life
– Daddy Bush knew….
Threads about Democrat Candidates:
– Planned Parenthood endorses Hillary Clinton
When have I ever denied leaning democratic? I am not a Democrat. I don’t sit on committee. Occasionally I support Republicans very publicly. Would you like some examples?
I cannot stand Trump or Cruz and make no secret of it.
I will vote democratic because of the supreme court. Why do I have to pretend equity in your eyes?
I refuse to answer the thread question on the grounds that it is grossly partisan.
Pass the popcorn. It goes well with watching two leftwing geezers vying to see who will be able to pin the tail on the Democrat donkey.
I will say the same thing to you, Wolve. I lean Democratic. I lean moderate to liberal. Why would I even pretend to like Trump or Cruz?
Plus I think they are hideous human beings.
So I take that as a “No”. I was thinking loser buys the winner dinner, but since you aren’t a betting man….
Considering that it’s likely that Hillary won’t make it to the convention (the DNC is starting to panic, and Biden, Kerry, or Warren getting pressured to jump in before disaster occurs), it’s doubtful that she’ll ever face Trump, Rubio, or Cruz.
Don’t bet your chickens before they hatch. Some of that might be wishful thinking.
I have to say that I wouldn’t cry if Biden were in there.
@Wolve
which is why I proposed another question:
Who is worse, socialist Sanders or Clinton under an FBI criminal investigation?
It got shot down 🙁
@Jackson Bills
+1 on nailing the bias.
Steve, when have either of us tried to hide our bias?
I intensely dislike Trump and Cruz and make no effort to hide it.
@Jackson Bills
We could always flip a coin. Apparently that’s how things are done on the Dem side.
Paul and Santorum are out. Let’s see where the support breaks. Jeb and Kasich are polling strong in NH. If they under perform, we know the support is heading to Rubio.
I like both Bush and Katich. I don’t think I would vote for them but I don’t hate them. Both are decent men with whom I have a few serious disagreements.
I think there’s a plethora of threads because there’s such a large and loony field of candidates running. And you’ve got to admit that there hasn’t been a presence like Trump’s in a long time. It’s become a side show of political incorrectness. And before you bemoan being politically correct, think about whether it’s better to be just plain rude and openly bigoted. How many votes does that option win for you?
Thanks Censored.
I absolutely think both are a sideshow. You can always count on the GOP to rattle through a few extremists to give us something to laugh at. Sarah Palin, Michelle Bachmann, The Witch, Rick Perry, Nine, Nine Nine with the mistresses….pure fun.
But what about the total lack of (guided) discussion regarding Democrat candidates? How about a thread: Email Server Investigation: Is this a deal-breaker? or “Are we ready for Socialism?” Sure, Trump has a lot of media-gravity, but I thought Clinton was the most qualified candidate ever to have run for the office?
I think you are deflecting, because you don’t want to admit that the party you regularly supports has fielded a woeful (yes WOEFUL) list of candidates, and if the Iowa Caucus is any indication, the Queen has no clothes. November won’t be settled by a coin-toss.
My predictions:
Clinton won’t make it to the convention. Saunders knows she’s wounded, and is emboldened. His campaign and its surrogates will begin attacking her regarding the emails. Here African-American “firewall” will fail. She might be indicted, and if someone more acceptable to the Obama Admin jumps in the race…she WILL be indicted. Bet on that. It will be a deal: “Hill…Biden’s in. You need to drop out. You will be indicted. Drop out and I pardon you. Stay in, and you will go to trail. Flip a coin..”
Debbie Wasserman-Schultz will be driven from the DNC chair, as Clinton’s campaign melts-down.
The DNC Establishment will throw someone like Biden in. This will fracture the Dems, and we will see a convention like 1972. This divide will carry into the general.
Regardless, the GOP will take the White house.
Steve is looking large again. I am saying they won’t–not unless they offer up some real candidates rather than buffoons.
I already said you all can go to the open thread and do your own sanders/clinton discussion. I am just not interested enough in either of them to put up a post. The GOP has provided so much humor and outrage, Hillary and Bernie look pretty dull. I haven’t watched a single Democratic debate.
You seem just a little too cocky on this one. I have no clue what will happen.
As to what I have seen to-date, Hillary’s “crime” would be less than
Petreaus’ who knowingly removed AND shared classified information.
And his crime was a misdemeanor.
Cruz is worse, Trump is just being Trump which is likely his greatest appeal to those of us disillusioned with all manner of “R” representatives from the top down. Many of us are simply tired of removing knives from between our shoulder blades, knives inserted by those who are supposed to be leading us or at least having our backs. Keeping a “Virginia” theme to it, one needs look no further than Cantor at the Federal level, Speaker Howell in the Imperial Clown Show and a spate of our local representatives for clear examples. That being said, they aren’t all bad, Del. Marshall for example, love him or hate him, will never shiv you from behind because you always know where he stands and never switches mid-stream or post-election.
Trump is the grand FU to the GOP, a grand FU that is long overdue to our elected (purportedly conservative) whores with entitlement complexes.
I’ll vote for him simply to revel in the carnage a Trump presidency would create both within the GOP and the entrenched ranks of GS15/SES Federal employees. I can think of quite a few of the latter whom I would love to see Trump send a two word e-mail upon taking office, YOU’RE FIRED!
What a refreshing post.
You are also right about Marshall. I think his ideas are absolutely horrible but ….why does he keep getting elected? He really is a populist delegate when he isn’t making radical reproductive decisions for all women of Virginia. The sad thing is, most people don’t care because Bob comes out and keeps power lines and by-passes from going through your living room.
He is smart like that and he doesn’t do the usual political bullshit. When he was younger, if your wife had a big mouth, he would invite YOU to the parking lot to settle it. (yes, that did happen–no slander or libel here)
BTW, were your ears burning around 12:45 today?
@Steve Thomas
If the DNC threw Warren in, she’d get a lot of support.
I don’t think the average voter has the hatred for Hillary Clinton that some of you do. To question under oath (or badger, depending on your point of view) and attempt to indict might just win her stronger support – particularly among women. That could be a real crap shoot.
Why do you feel that women aren’t repulsed by most of the Republican candidates? Remember that the far right is only 1/3 of your party and your party is slightly less than 1/3 of the electorate. How many of us can Trump or Cruz manage to insult? Kasich and Bush appear at this point to have little support but I expect that to change. After all, how often has Iowa – or even New Hampshire – given us the winner?
I think both Bush and Kasich both have support but its outshouted by the oafs in the party.
I used to think the Democrats attracted the halt and the lame and the crazies I think the GOP has outdone the Dems on that score.
Starry,
I think you have your facts wrong. Patreaus shared his journals, which contained classified info, with his biographer/mistress, who also held a top-secret clearance, but lacked the “need to know” to have the information. When contacted by the FBI, he admitted to everything, and resigned.
Clinton:
Violated the FOIA law by establishing her home-brew server, and then conducting business on it
Violated the FOIA law and government records law by attempting to wipe the server
Violated Security laws by receiving and storing classified documents, up to and including TS/SAP information
Violated security laws by directing her staff to copy classified information from a secure system, to another secure system.
Violated security laws by directing her staff to “convert to electronic, strip classification markings, and send non-secure”.
About the only thing she hasn’t done is lie to federal investigators, since she has yet to be interviewed. No…she saves the lies for the American public…and you buy them. Sad. Really sad.
@Censored bybvbl
Censored,
Since you posed legitimate questions in a respectful manner, I will answer in kind:
Yes, Elizabeth Warren would get a lot of support, but this would fracture the party. She and Sanders both pull heavily from the same ideological segment of the party. Furthermore, she’d be getting in late, and it would be a pretty heavy lift to get the apparatus in place. Please listen to me here, as someone who has been part of party operations: Your primary staff in each state, becomes your general election staff, should you become the nominee. The National Party and the State Parties just fall-in on top of the individual campaign staff. If you think Clinton would just turn everything over to Warren, or Sanders would just go out without a fight, you are being overly optimistic. She’d be late to the game, and starting from zero.
I think she stays out, and runs in 2020. She knows the wind is in the faces of the Democrats this cycle, as we are coming to the end of a 2-term presidency.
You asked why I feel women aren’t “repulsed” by most of the GOP front-runners? I am not sure this is a fair question. I will say that younger single women as a group tend to vote Democrat, but this changes as they age, or their marital status changes, with a growing proportion voting Republican. While “woman’s issues” may heavily influence voting, these are not the only issues.
I will support any Republican over any Democrat. This I admit. I will also admit that I would really have to hold my nose to vote for Trump, for reasons I have detailed before. Suffice it to say, I don’t trust that he’s had some conversion from liberal/moderate to conservative. Like Jesus said: where your treasure is, your heart will be also. Trump has donated big money to too many Democrats. I will also admit that I don’t understand what motivates the American general electorate. I can understand Obama’s win in 2008, but to reelect him in 2012? What I do understand more is the mood of the GOP primary base. There’s still a lot of campaigning to do, and I am glad to see some of the weakest candidates starting to get out. Kasich and Bush may do better in NH, but both will be clobbered in SC. We will see a realignment going into Super Tuesday, and I am betting on Rubio to surge. He’s not my preferred candidate, but acceptable. He’s acceptable to a broad swath of the party…and if he gets nominated, he will beat Clinton or Sanders.
The real action this cycle? The US Senate. Unfortunately, we will be spectators to this.
@Moon-howler
What did I do (or not do) now?
Actually it was fairly positive. Your positive attributes were being discussed.
@Steve Thomas
I understand why a party’s platform might encourage a person to belong to one party or another, but I simply couldn’t imagine being bound to something such as that. I come from a family of independents. Because of my father’s job, he couldn’t participate in party politics. He was a conservative who grew more moderate as he aged. My mother was always more moderate. My sisters are independent except one who used to vote Republican. She has become fed up with the party over reproductive rights. If she’s fed up, I know other older professional women are as well. My Republican friends’ daughters are liberals and the mothers are often “turned”. None of us -or our spouses – would dream of supporting Trump or Cruz. Not even the Hispanic members of the family. Personality, ethics, and presentation matter. They both fail. (Plus I can’t get beyond the Grandpa Munster doppleganger.)
@Censored bybvbl
Censored, you do realize that Trump is pro-choice, right? He has a long history of statements in favor of “choice”. Now, if you’d like to go for the superficial regarding looks, re:Cruz, that’s fine. Makes it fair game to say listening to Hillary’s voice makes me thankful that I am hearing impaired. Really. Like a cat who messed with a kitchen appliance. And Sanders? Every time I see him, I keep looking for a DeLorean with Michael J. Fox in it.
Or maybe we could just stick to substance?
Trump is only pro choice if he needs to be. I clearly heard his 180 degree change of heart…out of his own mouth. Right now, he isn’t. Now, I don’t think it is a big issue to him one way or the other, unless he needs to make a point.
As for Hillary’s voice…Steve…I have longed for hearing impairment also. Same with Palin. Both just have ugly voices. There I have said it.
@Steve Thomas
You left out Sarah Palin’s nasal twang.
Palin is worse than Hillary. I just reach for the mute. Bernie is just New York. I find that annoying but not like nails on a chalk board. I keep my TV on mute a lot.
My own voice isn’t that great so I will watch what I say.
Trump, Cruz, Rubio, Clinton, Sanders- what difference does it make? None of them even begin to address the major issues of our time. They all merely pander and pontificate.
Deficit- the huge demographic bump of the boomers are now all retiring and using Medicare at once and it’s bankrupting the government. You can’t cut the rest of the government enough to cover it- the money just ain’t there. You have to cut benefits in those programs, raise the retirement age, raise taxes, or some combination of the above. The problem won’t last forever- the boomers will all pass on eventually- including me! Promising no cuts or increased taxes or implying that welfare is causing it won’t fix the problem.
Jobs/middle class/blue collar decay- this is a multi-decade ongoing problem that won’t be solved by demonizing and deporting brown people, building a bigger wall or taxing and demonizing rich people. It’s been caused by mechanization, productivity increases and off-shoring labor. The main goal of manufacturers is to decrease production costs, and they have done that by limiting the human factor. among other things Our government has failed to work with or regulate industry and business to mitigate the effects. We need a candidate that will admit that the nature of the workforce has changed and give us a plan to deal with that.
Terrorism- you’re 5000 times more likely to be killed by an American with a gun than a terrorist in America, but terrorism is a major campaign topic and gun violence isn’t.
Cruz is a demagogue, Trump is a buffoon, Sanders is your angry socialist uncle and Hillary is an often rejected over cautious shadow of Bill. What a choice…
Good points, Middleman. Little of substance gets done. In a global economy and tech-driven era, our pols mouth “American exceptionalism” without lifting a finger to ensure that it’s so.
Ummmm…. do we need to go through the list of issues Hillary was for before she was against it? That is the ‘Clinton doctrine’. Take a quick peak at some of the things that Bill Clinton passed and Hillary supported.
If Hillary didn’t change about 85-95% of her views that she supported when Bill was in office she would not have a snowballs chance in hell of even being elected as a dog catcher let alone running for President.
I will provide a detailed list if needed…
What does it take? The thread isn’t about Hillary. It isn’t about Jeb Bush. It isn’t about Bill Clinton.
We are talking about Trump. Is he pro choice? I say no. Not now.
Were you the type of kid who responded with Orange when the teacher asked what time it was?
I get it you hate Hillary. Please don’t bore me with it. Let me guess…you aren’t going to vote for her either. You aren’t voting for Bill, I bet.
He lied to the FBI. Through his teeth. He eventually did resign – for the affair. He also kept the Books – which contained information about many programs in an unsecured location in his place, her place, let her take pictures, etc.
He plead guilty to one misdemeanor.
Funny thing heard on Fox today – that Cruz is in the center of the party and Rubio is to the left of the party.
Cruz is not going to get the nomination, but I would fear a Cruz vs Clinton election – a day to stay home.
Trump will prevail.
Why would you fear a Cruz vs Clinton? Do you mean trouble at the polls?
Don’t kid yourself. She knew what she was doing when she rejected the State Blackberry and opted for that non-secure server. If she didn’t, she has to be dumb as a rock.
Your accusations against Hillary are not supported by any evidence.
Starry, Republicans have been trying to make this case for years. Its just what they do.
To whomever mentioned the 2020 race – kudos for optimism. Cruz, Trump, Sanders, Clinton – never thought I would get to a point where I couldn’t find more than one thing to like about a candidate. At this point, Trump might get my vote simply for the havoc it would reap and maybe the realization by the American people of how much power we actually have!!
I will also look to see how much money any of the candidates received from Soros and the Koch Bros.
@Lyssa
Hillary just received over $6,000,000 lump sum for Soros a few days ago.
You are making it sound like she is the only person to gets big money from very wealthy sources. That simply isn’t true. I hope Soros gives her 10 million more.
Then there is Trump. Who gives him money?
It takes a ridiculously huge amount of donor money to get elected to anything. Perhaps that is the real problem with our political system. I would start by overturning Citizens United….