(From Dana Milbank)
I’ve perhaps never agreed with Glenn Beck before, but the right-wing radio personality was right to hold up a Nazi ballot on ABC’s “This Week” on Sunday morning. “We should look at Adolf Hitler in 1929,” said Beck, who usually saves his Nazi analogies for liberals. Beck added, “Donald Trump is a dangerous man with the things that he has been saying.”
The Germans, too, find him dangerous — and they should know. Der Spiegel, the German newsmagazine, last month called Trump “the world’s most dangerous man” and leader of a “hate-filled authoritarian movement” who “inflames tensions against ethnic minorities . . . while ignoring democratic conventions.”
I wish I could enjoy Trump, who at last week’s debate defended the size of his penis. But this isn’t a conventional debate between Democrats and Republicans or insiders and outsiders. Trump is on the wrong side of a struggle between decency and bigotry, between democracy and something else.
Dana MilbankYet, incredibly, the other candidates in the race — Ted Cruz, Marco Rubio and John Kasich — all said they’d support Trump if he wins the nomination. The morning after Trump’s salute, the morally neutral Reince Priebus, Republican National Committee chairman, told CBS’s John Dickerson the that his “role is to basically be 100 percent behind” the eventual nominee.
Apparently, I am not all that far off base as some of my contributors think. Abe Foxman of the ADL, a holocaust survivor, also saw the Seig Heil salute and commented:
Abe Foxman, a Holocaust survivor and the retired longtime head of the ADL, said that Trump leading thousands in “what looks like the ‘Heil Hitler’ salute is about as offensive, obnoxious and disgusting as anything I thought I would ever witness in the United States.” He told the Times of Israel that Trump is “smart enough” to know what he was doing.
What on earth is wrong with Ted Cruz, Marco Rubio, and John Katich? Why would they agree to support Trump? Where is the moral courage here? They need to denounce Trump publicly. At what point do they consider country over party? Perhaps they should look to Lindsay Graham as the role model.
Politics makes very strange bedfellows. Today I have agreed with Glenn Beck and Greg. Is the world going to spin backwards tomorrow? I am getting horrible eye twitches just thinking about this.
Godwin to the left of you! Godwin to the right of you! Godwin is all over the place!
Glenn Beck went loopy a long time ago. Now you and Dana Milbank have become Beckites!!!! And you cannot scrape that off very easily. Your name is on the list.
That crazy squirrel can probably read my mind waves. Beck, not Godwin.
The Germans have the gall to criticize Trump?!! Good Lord, in Deutschland these days a girl can hardly walk down the street without fear of getting pawed all over by sex hungry migrants. Germany is becoming a laughing stock. And stay out of the water — unless you want to feel a stranger’s fingers fiddling around under your bikini. Frau Angela arranged all that for her lucky people.
Der Speigel ist der schtupid schmuckos. Ja.
Lindsay Graham as a role model?! You must be joking, blogmistress. How much support did that silly little feller amass before he cut and ran?
Certainly all the others had to state openly that they would support Trump if he is nominated. They want the nomination themselves. If they do get that nomination, it would have been stupid to have given all those angry Trump supporters a clear reason for payback on election day.
Graham had the nads to say he wouldn’t support Trump if he got the nomination. The other 3 did not. They place party over country apparently.
Have you definitely crossed over to the dark side, Wolve?
The same could be said for those that support a person who deliberately put national security secrets at risk for the sole purpose of skirting FOIA requests.
Jackson, I believe that those three were out hurling insults at Trump, talking about how reprehensible he is. That is the point.
If you are trying to snark at me, and of course you are, I don’t give a crap what political party anyone belongs to and I have not signed a pledge. Any support or voting is of my own accord and choice, not because of coercion. I also think your premise is flawed and I don’t believe anyone I am voting for has done the things you say.
Big difference. So SDAFO.
@MoonHowler
Graham didn’t have to worry about his nads.
He was never going to get the nom. And he knew it. He was part of the strategy to keep money inside the approved wing of the GOP and try to take delegates from Cruz. Then Trump got in and completely screwed their plans.
If he has nads, then what on earth about the other three. That strengthens my statement.
I certainly don’t like Graham. But he is manning up and saying he won’t support Trump, party be damned.
“Abe Foxman of the ADL, a holocaust survivor, also saw the Seig Heil salute…”
I’ve seen the video several times now and don’t see a Seig Heil salute. Again, I don’t know why I feel the need to say this over and over, I am not a Trump supporter. But this is just getting ridiculous.
Trump has been compared to a Nazi and Hitler countless times on this blog for everything from having little girls do a dance to this.
A wise women once said here on this blog that comparing anyone to Hitler or a Nazi simply shows a lack of vocabulary.
Unless, of course, the person is emulating Hitler. Then it might be wise to discuss it.
I say that Trump is not at all like Hitler. He is more like Mussolini.
I didnt realize Mussolini had his subjects siege heiling him.
The posturing and ranting, I would say its a draw.
Then by your own logic I present to you kids “siege heiling” Hillary Clinton: https://timedotcom.files.wordpress.com/2015/12/hillary-clinton-children-questions-town-hall.jpg?quality=75&strip=color&w=1680
Here are some kids “siege heiling” their teacher… http://wwwassets.rand.org/content/rand/blog/2015/09/how-school-choice-could-disadvantage-low-income-students/jcr:content/par/teaser.aspectfit.0x1200.jpg/1441141833051.jpg
Were you home schooled or desperate to find something to piss me off? Those kids are asking to be called on.
Just stop with the stupid remarks. Remember what happens when you push me far enough?
Obama “siege heiling” himself…. http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2014/02/11/article-2557188-1B66133A00000578-121_634x433.jpg
One of your favorite people of all time “siege heiling” an entire crowd with Hillary by his side… http://www.slate.com/content/dam/slate/articles/podcasts/whistlestop/2015/07/how_bill_clinton_earned_the_nickname_the_comeback_kid_during_the_1992_democratic/51623965-democratic-presidential-candidate-bill-clinton-waves-to.jpg.CROP.promo-xlarge2.jpg
Mercury astronauts “siege heiling” at a press conference…. https://www.nasa.gov/sites/default/files/styles/full_width/public/introductory_news_conf.-1.jpg?itok=CB4IeZpJ
Hillary giving the picture perfect “siege heiling”… http://www.snydertalk.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/08/Hillary-Clinto-Nazi-salute-1.jpg
You sure won’t see me pledging allegiance to any politician. I just want to elect a president, not a dictator. When Trump says jump, his supporters say how high!
@Starryflights
Do you remember the Barrack Obama truth squads?
Here is a baby panda “siege heiling”… https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/736x/9a/bd/92/9abd92c9c9d96e13dda4a68ec874bc4e.jpg
What is the difference in Trump asking for a pledge and the RPV asking me to sign a pledge?
Trump will be the Republican Nominee.
How it was done, for starters. I didn’t like the RPV pledge but…it isn’t my party. How they chose to operate is up to them. I don’t think it was fascist, just ill-advised.
The dark side? No, I have definitely not become a Democrat.
I doubt if they would have you, Wolve. (or me either) I meant the Trump dark side. But you knew that.
I don’t think normal thinking people have a party anymore.
That comment is probably one of the smartest I have heard all day.
Thank you. I needed that 😏
Didn’t Terry McAuliffe have supporters sign a ‘vote pledge’ and then just before the election he mailed that pledge to them to remind them that they pledged to vote for him? I don’t see much of a difference…
I didn’t get one and I supported him. My husband worked for him.
If you don’t see the difference in a simple pledge, and using gestures that conjure up one of the most evil times in history, then you probably need to take a history lesson.
We are done talking. You are just being a real pain in the ass and I don’t have time for this nonsense. No one else comes on here and deliberately attempts to bear-bait me.
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There are those, within both parties, who lament what the parties have become. These people refuse to be driven from their respective parties, and are choosing to remain engaged. Some cycles they are defending. Some they are advancing. There is an ebb and flow to this that I have noticed over my 14 or so years of being an active member of my party. Usually, the cycles for each party are opposites of each other. The GOP surges, the Democrats retreat, retrench, reorganize, and advance. This is usually a bottom-up trend. For an example, look at the GOP vs. Dems from 2000 to present. You will see this pattern. When one party dominates at the national level, the other is beginning to advance at the state level. This percolates up to the Federal level, and then the other party reaches dominance there, as the other begins advancing at the state level.
What makes this cycle so peculiar is there appears to be a Harmonic in the cycle. Both parties are dealing with revolts in the base, and insurgent candidates. This rarely happens. I attribute much of this to the new ways we communicate and iteract. I am not sure what will come of it, but I am sure both parties are transforming. They will look quite different in the years to come, but they will still be here, and will still have a significant impact.
Absolutely re communication.
I also think we might be at critical mass as far as 24 hour cable goes.
We probably also have to set some parameters on what constitutes normal.
I just don’t think belonging to a political party is very desirable. Both major parties want to restrict your freedom of thought and use sanctions against you if you don’t toe the party line. They also want time and money from you.
You can vote for their candidate (or not) even if you aren’t a member. You don’t have to give them a penny if you don’t want to if you aren’t a member. You can even talk smack about them.
Basically, I loath both parties.
@MoonHowler
Some want to influence who the candidates are that are offered to the General electorate. This falls to those within the party. Some one who is engaged, decides to run for local office, then higher office, than on to the highest offices. Also, where do you think those who are ultimately elected, get their staffs and appointments? They draw them from the ranks of the party.
Looking at this solely through the prism of “voting” is like viewing personal transportation only from the perspective of ignition/steering/ acceleration & breaking.
And looking at it from the point of view that I don’t want to be controlled and owned by either party…I don’t want to have to give them my time and money.
Basically I think both parties are ideologues and that those who think for themselves actually don’t find a place in either tent.
@MoonHowler
I don’t feel restricted or constrained, nor do I feel obligated. My giving of time and money is strictly up to me. One of the reasons I decided to give up a leadership role, was to eliminate any obligation with regards to time.
It’s not like being in a union, where you have no choice but to pay your dues.
I don’t like closed shop either.
Don’t you have to pay dues to be a member? I seem to recall dues in some form. Maybe I am wrong.
What I really hated was being obligated to support the candidate. I do recall a big brouhaha over whether a candidate was going to put a sign in my yard or not. I said no, sitting on committee. That didnt go over very well.
Why is this thread suddenly dropping all the “eyes”?
@BSinVA
I agree. Mussolini.